Greb cant beat hagler

[SnoopySmurf]

btw....grayfist, Dr Filth, & Kid Achilles....great posts.

I thought mine was rather nice too. *sniff*

[BuddyChacon]

Guys that's a clip of him fooling around shadowboxing. Means ****. Greb didn't even train or shadowbox seriously that much, he mostly sparred and fought endlessly. From what I've heard he barely even hit bags, just other people.

Also to say Greb stylistically loses to Hagler is a joke. Show me footage of him fighting a pro bout and then talk about his style.

I dunno how the fight would go between these two rugged middleweights with iron chins, but they were both great. Greb of course has the better resume and was a better P4P fighter (beating quality heavier men on a consistent basis).

Any fighter that can defeat Gene Tunney is something spectacular.

[K-DOGG]

Even though I thought Hagler beat Sugar Ray, I still say Speed beats Power. And Greb had speed and was akward, from the looks of the footage. Never seen him fight.

I wouldn't say Greb could beat Hagler....but let's just say that if we saw a footage of Joe Calzaghe shadow boxing vs a footage of Lacy, we'd all think that Lacy would kill him. Just saying.

lol!!! It is a very good post. Nice analogy using Lacy and Calzaghe. Sorry I left you out.

[BuddyChacon]

lol!!! It is a very good post. Nice analogy using Lacy and Calzaghe. Sorry I left you out.

I for one think boxing is the only sport where guys from the past can succeed. Boxers thrive on hunger as seen with the emergence of the Soviet Fighters and fighters from Third World countries like Pac. To not think these guys were tougher than the babied fighters of today is rediculous. Just like your granddad could probably kick your ass, most old school fighters would have an edge over the new guys. Most don't agree with my opinion but there grit and determination goes along way in the ring and would in any era.

[brownpimp88]

You guys are killing me with your post-modernistic bull****. We're better than they were, we've advanced, look what we can do now that those neanderthals coudn't, we've don't have to get off our asses to change the channel, those guys didn't even have black and white TV back then, etc. Yeah, yeah, yeah....whatever. There is nothing on your sides concerning the "evolution" of the sport...no proof, none....meaning, we'll never know if one of today's fighters would beat one of yesterdays.

You see guys now who are sooo lauded over, so praised, who have their own agent or PR firm backing them and making them out to be some sort of "god" and then you build them an alter and say they can beat "this old fighter" because there's no video evidence of how good he supposedly was.....and you know you can't trust the reporters who wrote about them.....as if yoiu can trust the promoters and matchmakers of today! I mean Larry Merchant or Jim Lampley or Al Bernstein or Steve Albert would NEVER over-hype a fighter who is fighting for their network(s).

No, there isn't any video of Greb....and I suppose the fact that he fought damn near 300 fights by the time he was 26, more than half with one eye, and won all but a handful means nothing. Oh, right, it means all of the fighters back then were **** compared to today's ring geniuses...I forgot.

Ignorance & post-modern prejudice, what a marriage.





btw....grayfist, Dr Filth, & Kid Achilles....great posts.

Every other sport deals with it, why doesnt boxing? Basketball fans know that wilt wouldnt average 50 points per game if he played nowadays. Baseball fans kinda question how babe ruth would have been if blacks were pitching to him or if other blacks in general were baseman, etc. Hockey fans know that the players from 80's and onwards are far superior to the old guys. Football fans know that the players within the last 25 years are are far superior to the original guys.


Boxing is just better nowdays, its that simple. The sport is now multicultural with every race getting equal oppurtunites. Hispanics are involved, asians are invloved, blacks are finally allowed to be champs and get the same equal rights that whites did.

[K-DOGG]

I for one think boxing is the only sport where guys from the past can succeed. Boxers thrive on hunger as seen with the emergence of the Soviet Fighters and fighters from Third World countries like Pac. To not think these guys were tougher than the babied fighters of today is rediculous. Just like your granddad could probably kick your ass, most old school fighters would have an edge over the new guys. Most don't agree with my opinion but there grit and determination goes along way in the ring and would in any era.

Buddy, that post is as spot on as any.

[BuddyChacon]

Every other sport deals with it, why doesnt boxing? Basketball fans know that wilt wouldnt average 50 points per game if he played nowadays. Baseball fans kinda question how babe ruth would have been if blacks were pitching to him or if other blacks in general were baseman, etc. Hockey fans know that the players from 80's and onwards are far superior to the old guys. Football fans know that the players within the last 25 years are are far superior to the original guys.


Boxing is just better nowdays, its that simple. The sport is now multicultural with every race getting equal oppurtunites. Hispanics are involved, asians are invloved, blacks are finally allowed to be champs and get the same equal rights that whites did.

Boxing has been multicultural for some time now. It is not a new occurance. Those other sports don't depend on the toughness and grit of a man. Boxing is not just about skill. Fighters of old were in much better shape than fighters now because most of them fought ever two weeks or so. People in general were harder workers and in better shape overall.

[brownpimp88]

Boxing has been multicultural for some time now. It is not a new occurance. Those other sports don't depend on the toughness and grit of a man. Boxing is not just about skill. Fighters of old were in much better shape than fighters now because most of them fought ever two weeks or so. People in general were harder workers and in better shape overall.

Hispanics have only been invloved since the 70's pal. There were like a few before that, but not much. When guys like duran, arguello made big names for thier country, then more hispanics opened the door to boxing.

Dempsey didnt train in head movement, angles, etc. To even suggest he had that fundamental training is ridiculous. He doesnt deserve a top 10 heavyweight spot, many heavyweights have a better resume than him.

[K-DOGG]

Every other sport deals with it, why doesnt boxing? Basketball fans know that wilt wouldnt average 50 points per game if he played nowadays. Baseball fans kinda question how babe ruth would have been if blacks were pitching to him or if other blacks in general were baseman, etc. Hockey fans know that the players from 80's and onwards are far superior to the old guys. Football fans know that the players within the last 25 years are are far superior to the original guys.


Boxing is just better nowdays, its that simple. The sport is now multicultural with every race getting equal oppurtunites. Hispanics are involved, asians are invloved, blacks are finally allowed to be champs and get the same equal rights that whites did.

1. Because you can't, I repeat....can not compare boxing to any other sport. It's one man versus another....that's it, it's that simple. It boils down to the man, his skill, and his desire to win. As Buddy alluded to, fighting/boxing is about hunger and desperation to change one's fate for the better more than any other sport....and for eveything you gain, you lose something in time. Fighters get paid more now and, consequentially, don't have to fight as much...and also consequentially, aren't as hungry by and large as the older fighters. THAT is a fact than cannot be overlooked.

2. No, it's not. The multi-ethnic diversity is a plus; but just because it's live and in technicolor, it is not necessarily better. There is no proof to this...this is your opinion, and I strongly disagree.

[brownpimp88]

1. Because you can't, I repeat....can not compare boxing to any other sport. It's one man versus another....that's it, it's that simple. It boils down to the man, his skill, and his desire to win. As Buddy alluded to, fighting/boxing is about hunger and desperation to change one's fate for the better more than any other sport....and for eveything you gain, you lose something in time. Fighters get paid more now and, consequentially, don't have to fight as much...and also consequentially, aren't as hungry by and large as the older fighters. THAT is a fact than cannot be overlooked.

2. No, it's not. The multi-ethnic diversity is a plus; but just because it's live and in technicolor, it is not necessarily better. There is no proof to this...this is your opinion, and I strongly disagree.

thats good if you disagree, greb will not truly be recognized as the best middleweight ever, only 70 year olds that are still alive are gonn say it. Wait another 20 years, when the bert sugars go away. You will then find out that monzon and hagler will be mentioned in the breath of best middleweigt ever and greb will fade over to the other side.

Who cares if they were TOUGHER, thier skills were inferior. Only a dumbass wont admit that, tyson had more skill than rocky marciano. Ask any random non boxing fan to watch both of them in action, 10/10 times the fan will say tyson was easily more skilled fundamentally.