How would Joe Louis and Rocky Marciano fare against modern Heavies?

[JAB5239]

It's not my opinion i told you that already video proves i am and I explained how banned works to me read agian or learn how to read

So how exactly does this work? If more people say video of past greats such as Ivich has pointed are equal to or better than modern boxers you call them "idiot" and "******" and you think that wins you the debate? Video does prove these fighters as good or better than most modern fighters. And their resumes and amount of times they fought most certainly make them greater in many if not most comparisons to they're modern counterparts. This is no slight to modern fighters, only the truth.

[Ascended]

So how exactly does this work? If more people say video of past greats such as Ivich has pointed are equal to or better than modern boxers you call them "idiot" and "******" and you think that wins you the debate? Video does prove these fighters as good or better than most modern fighters. And their resumes and amount of times they fought most certainly make them greater in many if not most comparisons to they're modern counterparts. This is no slight to modern fighters, only the truth.

Haha hey jab the most known person here who I had some semi respect for where you been at he's wrong I dont think anything no the video doesn't prove anything on my question

What he did doesn't work he provided people dominating people in their era's

My question was and has always been using advanced movement that means as many angles and not stiff as they did from 70s-now

It doesn't exist as I always said it didn't even exist with Robinson cause he wasnt as advanced as ali who made his style better

I know im right video proves I am

[JAB5239]

Haha hey jab the most known person here who I had some semi respect for where you been at he's wrong I dont think anything no the video doesn't prove anything on my question

What he did doesn't work he provided people dominating people in their era's

My question was and has always been using advanced movement that means as many angles and not stiff as they did from 70s-now

It doesn't exist as I always said it didn't even exist with Robinson cause he wasnt as advanced as ali who made his style better

I know im right video proves I am

Yet you haven't proven anything about movement being better, and continually ignore the reason fighter such as Louis fought the way he/they did.

[Ascended]

Yet you haven't proven anything about movement being better, and continually ignore the reason fighter such as Louis fought the way he/they did.

I know why he fought that way its how they trained videos prove im right and you know this you always have thats why you wont show me the fiction joe you talk of who is better skilled then the 70s-90s he doesnt exist you know he doesn't he only exist here

[Willow The Wisp]

You're banned from Boxing 24 and can't post there.and we both know it ,why lie about it? Your position is that fighters from earlier eras are not as skilled as those from the 70s onwards.
YES ?

NO?
My position is there were fighters of equal skill in the eras from the 20's until today.
I'm happy to give examples from these earlier eras to support my case.
20's
Dempsey
Bunney
Brown
Leonard
Loughran
McFarland
M Gibbons
McClarnin
Canzoneri
Chocolate
Kid Berg
Welsh
Driscoll
Attell
Mandell
Delaney
Labarba
Genaro

30's
Wolgast
Lynch
Kane
Miller
Ross
Burley
H Williams
Steele
Apostoli
Overlin
Lewis
Conn
40's
Louis
Robinson
Gavilan
Pep
Saddler
Ortiz
Marshall
Bolden
I Williams
Lytell
Moore
Bivins
Charles
Abrams
Booker
Montgomery
Armstrong
Maxim
I'm sorry I've upset you, but this is my honestly held view .You carry on ,it makes no matter to me.

Tip of the Iceberg, as we know. Saying Basketball level of professional play is better today than in 1920 is stating a fact readily in evidence. But saying Boxings level of professional proficiency is better today than in 1920 is no different than claiming that marble scuptors are better today than in ........
anyone worth 3 minutes discussing boxing with understands precisely why this is.

[Ivich]

What's the difference with what I say then this from you hypocrite oh cause im not using the corny phrases words like oafs or unskilled and just saying trash I'm wrong your a hypocrite on top of being crazy your no different then them

I do believe Usyk is 3 times as skilled as Marciano,that doesn't mean the rest of the present heavyweights have great skills though.Watching Zhang v Hrgovic I was struck by the lack of head movement and feints, they rely on their gloves to stop punches Usyk slips punches,he feints with his shoulders, has great head movement,excellent timing , judgement of distance and brilliant foot work,he can fight going forward or on the retreat. Thats why he is the RIng's No1 P4P , and trainer Peter Fury described him yesterday as ,"a brilliant technician".
Back in the day fighters often fought every week,it stands to reason that having that amount of fights meant that they honed their skills.Today guys are challenging for titles with less that 20 fights under their belts,The big thing now is keeping a clean sheet ,so they aren't matched with opponents that will pose them problems,potential banana skins that might beat them and reduce their marquee value.In the eras I've mentioned there were 10 times as many clubs and boxers as today.Fighters back them learned their craft and they did it by facing a variety of styles,swarmer,defensive cuties,runners,boxer punchers,southpaws,by the time they got their title shot they were thoroughly grounded and confident they could handle any style.
Today boxing is dying, MMA pulls more fans.I've seen it at the arenas I go to ,the fans are casuals ,there with their girlfriends,they don't even watch the supporting bouts and couldnt name two other fighters on the bill.The then heavyweight champion Wilder and American couldnt even fill up the 18,000 Barclays Center in his own country!
I've said nothing hypocritical you've just misinterpreted what I've said.

[Ascended]

I do believe Usyk is 3 times as skilled as Marciano,that doesn't mean the rest of the present heavyweights have great skills though.Watching Zhang v Hrgovic I was stuck by the lack of head movement and feints, they rely on their gloves to stop punches Usyk slips punches,he feints with his shoulders, has great head movement,excellent timing , judgement of distance and brilliant foot work,Thats why he is the RIng's No1 P4P , and trainer Peter Fury described him yesterday as ,"a brilliant technician". I've said nothing hypocritical you've just misinterpreted what I've said.

I misinterpret nothing those are your words and the words you said uptop contradict this cause you posted lies saying the trash names you said were as skilled when they wasnt even as advanced as the 70s-90s so that means Usyk is trash then if he fights as bad as they did

That doesnt work with me never has when you give a deep point but the logic makes no sense wirh it

Or did you mean trying to be deep as meaning when they fought in 20s-50s they made the opposition look as bad well that doesn't work either since it is no one who existed back then who did that unless you wanna talk about dempsey or louis and even those 2 didnt look as good as 70s-90s fighters running through there bum opposition

The 70s-90s made bums look way worst cause of their advances in skills and ran though them way more brutally and with less shots

[Ivich]

It's not my opinion i told you that already video proves i am and I explained how banned works to me read agian or learn how to read

your view or anybody else's doesnt matter you cant see good why would I be upset over your bad vision

video proves you wrong those dudes was trash compared to 70s-90s all of them naming a bunch of trash fighters you exposed yourself not me

If I was nasty I'd ask you which fights of those I've named you have actually seen fight? But you don't have to have seen them fight do you? All you need to know is WHEN they fought? Isnt that so?

[Ascended]

If I was nasty I'd ask you which fights of those I've named you have actually seen fight? But you don't have to have seen them fight do you? All you need to know is WHEN they fought? Isnt that so?

Yea its all that matters cause every era gets better on average so the advanced era started 60s and got better from then

I seen enough of those dudes to know in general those era's they mostly fought the same as others in each said era meaning the 40s fought like each other and 20s fought like each other it wasn't much variety in styles and all of these eras are stiff

They wouldn't let none of those dudes from any of those era's you named make pro in 70s they would need to advance

[Willow The Wisp]

Yea its all that matters cause every era gets better on average so the advanced era started 60s and got better from then

I seen enough of those dudes to know in general those era's they mostly fought the same as others in each said era meaning the 40s fought like each other and 20s fought like each other it wasn't much variety in styles and all of these eras are stiff

They wouldn't let none of those dudes from any of those era's you named make pro in 70s they would need to advance

There are some good stations on YouTube that might challenge your ridged way of thinking. Would you like me to post some links for your research? Also, can you provide the group here with a few examples of active fighters who represent being better at their weight than anyone who fought prior to 1990? I'm always trying to learn new things too!