How would Joe Louis and Rocky Marciano fare against modern Heavies?

[QueensburyRules]

But neither did beat him.Cooper was stopped and Jones lost a unanimous decision. Cooper was always a pro heavyweight he didn't need a weight belt to be over the lhvy limit.

- - I'll take Sir 'enery word over yours. Young Clay was roundly booed in the Jones fight.

5-4, 5-4, 8-1 shows the planted judge in case it was close, which it was.

Unofficial Scorecards:

• AP: 5-4-1 Jones
• UPI: 6-3-1 Clay
• Long Beach Press-Telegram: 7-1-2 Clay
• Oakland Tribune: 5-4-1 Jones
• AP poll of 15 writers at ringside: 7 for Clay, 5 for Jones and 3 even
• UPI poll of 25 writers at ringside: 13 for Jones, 10 for Clay and 2 even

[Ivich]

- - I'll take Sir 'enery word over yours. Young Clay was roundly booed in the Jones fight.

5-4, 5-4, 8-1 shows the planted judge in case it was close, which it was.

Unofficial Scorecards:

• AP: 5-4-1 Jones
• UPI: 6-3-1 Clay
• Long Beach Press-Telegram: 7-1-2 Clay
• Oakland Tribune: 5-4-1 Jones
• AP poll of 15 writers at ringside: 7 for Clay, 5 for Jones and 3 even
• UPI poll of 25 writers at ringside: 13 for Jones, 10 for Clay and 2 even

I'll take my knowledge of Cooper over yours! I watched him train at the Thomas A Becket gym saw him fight Mildenberger at Wembley when the German was slung out for butting,and ran into him many times at the fight when he was commentating for the BBC,he didn't go to the fights unless he was working.Henry lived a couple of miles from me,he and his twin George worked as plasterers for Reg Reynolds and George married the Boss's daughter.As a pro Cooper was always a heavyweight the lightest he scaled was just over 185lbs for the 1stAli fight, he had no difficulty weighing above the 175lbs light heavy limit,why would he put weights in his trunks?
or over for 22 of his 55 fights.
I've 3 books on Cooper in none of them are weighted belts mentioned.
.On this subject you don't know and I do.

The crowd booed Ali because his prediction had failed.it was a reasonably close fight but he won it. The 8-1 scorecard was the referee's.

[QueensburyRules]

I'll take my knowledge of Cooper over yours! I watched him train at the Thomas A Becket gym saw him fight Mildenberger at Wembley when the German was slung out for butting,and ran into him many times at the fight when he was commentating for the BBC,he didn't go to the fights unless he was working.Henry lived a couple of miles from me,he and his twin George worked as plasterers for Reg Reynolds and George married the Boss's daughter.As a pro Cooper was always a heavyweight the lightest he scaled was just over 185lbs for the 1stAli fight, he had no difficulty weighing above the 175lbs light heavy limit,why would he put weights in his trunks?
or over for 22 of his 55 fights.
I've 3 books on Cooper in none of them are weighted belts mentioned.
.On this subject you don't know and I do.

The crowd booed Ali because his prediction had failed.it was a reasonably close fight but he won it. The 8-1 scorecard was the referee's.

- - Ay, the weight of your light in the loafer literature needs a boost from Sir 'enery's weights.

[Ivich]

- - Ay, the weight of your light in the loafer literature needs a boost from Sir 'enery's weights.

Cooper said a lot of things including, the gloves were changed in his 1 st fight with Ali, that the cut was caused by a head butt ,and that Ali got a couple of minutes extra rest. none of which was true and the BS about weighted belts for the 1st Ali fight is just nonsense because Cooper was lighter for that fight than he was for his previous 7 fights.Cooper never fought under185lbs as a pro.Hence there was no need to pretend he was heavier than he actually was.
Produce proof of your statement and I will happily concede I am wrong. Like Left Hook and Dr Z you won't though, like like them, you also resort to puerile insults to cover your own lack of knowledge of the subject.

[Dr. Z]

Joe Louis: 6′ 1½″, 200 to 210 lbs
Rocky Marciano: 5′ 10½″, 185 lbs
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Lennox Lewis: 6' 5", 245 to 250 lbs
Vitali Klitschko: 6' 7", 245 to 250 lbs
Wladimir Klitschko: 6' 6", 245 lbs
Tyson Fury: 6' 9", 260 lbs

Fury doesn't belong in the group. He has beaten just three ring magazine raked opponents and one was very old, the other one had no business being ranked. How Rocky and Louis would do, you cannot use the guys Lous fought like Primo Carrera and Buddy Baer. No, no, no. A common mistake. They had basic skills and should never be compared with the Klitschko's or Lewis.

Outside of the proverbial puncher's chance and the fact that both Rocky and Louis had trouble with good boxers they are up against the odds and would be badly outclassed in areas that do not include the ropes vs a much bigger & skilled jabber, and puncher. The two if they got up close would be ragged dolled in the clinches too. But I think they would most likely be zoned out, because neither has good footwork and Lewis and Klitschko did, plus they had significant height and reach advantages and knew who to use it. The guys who floored Louis were men who would not be ranked today, at least some at least and Klitschko's and Lewis hit a lot harder than Moore and Walcott--the two men who floored Marciano. Its okay, over 70 years has passed since Marciano and Louis fought.

[QueensburyRules]

Cooper said a lot of things including, the gloves were changed in his 1 st fight with Ali, that the cut was caused by a head butt ,and that Ali got a couple of minutes extra rest. none of which was true and the BS about weighted belts for the 1st Ali fight is just nonsense because Cooper was lighter for that fight than he was for his previous 7 fights.Cooper never fought under185lbs as a pro.Hence there was no need to pretend he was heavier than he actually was.
Produce proof of your statement and I will happily concede I am wrong. Like Left Hook and Dr Z you won't though, like like them, you also resort to puerile insults to cover your own lack of knowledge of the subject.

- - Hire a trio of certified proof monkeys to prove what U say about U sources is true wif a certified certificate of authenticity guaranteed with a $1000 bond on deposit.

[them_apples]

- - I'll take Sir 'enery word over yours. Young Clay was roundly booed in the Jones fight.

5-4, 5-4, 8-1 shows the planted judge in case it was close, which it was.

Unofficial Scorecards:

• AP: 5-4-1 Jones
• UPI: 6-3-1 Clay
• Long Beach Press-Telegram: 7-1-2 Clay
• Oakland Tribune: 5-4-1 Jones
• AP poll of 15 writers at ringside: 7 for Clay, 5 for Jones and 3 even
• UPI poll of 25 writers at ringside: 13 for Jones, 10 for Clay and 2 even

Jones is probably one of the most underated boxers ever. His skillset was great and he always came to win. I’m not sure where he fell short but his performance against Ali was great, he wasn’t scared of Ali at all and employed some great skills.

[them_apples]

Fury doesn't belong in the group. He has beaten just three ring magazine raked opponents and one was very old, the other one had no business being ranked. How Rocky and Louis would do, you cannot use the guys Lous fought like Primo Carrera and Buddy Baer. No, no, no. A common mistake. They had basic skills and should never be compared with the Klitschko's or Lewis.

Outside of the proverbial puncher's chance and the fact that both Rocky and Louis had trouble with good boxers they are up against the odds and would be badly outclassed in areas that do not include the ropes vs a much bigger & skilled jabber, and puncher. The two if they got up close would be ragged dolled in the clinches too. But I think they would most likely be zoned out, because neither has good footwork and Lewis and Klitschko did, plus they had significant height and reach advantages and knew who to use it. The guys who floored Louis were men who would not be ranked today, at least some at least and Klitschko's and Lewis hit a lot harder than Moore and Walcott--the two men who floored Marciano. Its okay, over 70 years has passed since Marciano and Louis fought.

The boxers Marciano and Louis struggled with were faster, smaller and technically superior to Lewis and Vitali (Wlad isnt that skillful by any margin).

Lewis and Vitali are skillful for big men, but not in the big picture. Lewis was flat footed, especially as he put on weight. This is why he got koed. Lewis had a good jab and nice combinations for a man of his size. Ezzard Charles was better in every single department than Lewis, including the jab - he’s simply just a lot smaller.

so these are completely different fights.

if Rocky Faces Lewis, Lewis has to punch down at a man who’s 5 ft 10 and also squatting. Rocky has to close the distance someone. When he does, he can probably hit Lewis easily inside. Lewis is tall and lanky with a big body. The task at hand is Rocky getting inside. Lewis wouldn’t be landing at will though, it would be an awkward fight for him as well. Rocky doesn’t fight like Tua.

if Lewis fights Louis, well theres plenty of Footage of Louis completely dismantling men as big as Lewis and Vitali.

just my personal opinion, but once fighters start getting too big I believe they start regressing in some categories. You lose agility, stamina and explosive capability. Just because we got big men going at it today doesn’t mean this isn’t true. They still suck, just there aren’t any good smaller men. Not even at 175 or cruiser. Usyk is the best we get and yeah, he’s a champ already go figure - but even Usyk in my book is nothing special outside of a good fighter.

[Bundana]

if Rocky Faces Lewis, Lewis has to punch down at a man who's 5 ft 10 and also squatting. Rocky has to close the distance someone. When he does, he can probably hit Lewis easily inside. Lewis is tall and lanky with a big body. The task at hand is Rocky getting inside. Lewis wouldn't be landing at will though, it would be an awkward fight for him as well. Rocky doesn't fight like Tua.

Serious question: Is there even one person here of sound mind, who honestly think the most likely scenario is Rocky getting inside, where he breaks down Lewis with body punches? I mean... really??

[Ivich]

- - Hire a trio of certified proof monkeys to prove what U say about U sources is true wif a certified certificate of authenticity guaranteed with a $1000 bond on deposit.

You don't seem to grasp that when YOU make a statement ,the onus is on YOU to prove it not on ME to disprove it!
As I predicted nothing from YOU to back up YOUR claim ,just more cryptic BS.