How would Joe Louis and Rocky Marciano fare against modern Heavies?

[Ascended]

It was supposed to be a sparring session. Marciano was so eager to test himself against Ali that he worked himself into a frenzy working out and was running 10 miles a day. He dropped 35 lbs.

Ali on the other hand was about 235 lbs, but yes much younger and more youthful, a bigger athlete.

however, Ali wasn�¢����t ready to spar with Rocky. In the book �¢����the ghost in the machine�¢���� is documents what went down at this event.

Ali was being hit too the body and arms very hard, he started complaining as he was swelling up on his ribs and arms. Eventually he got mad and tagged Rocky with a flush cross. As expected though, all it did was make Marciano breath fire. Marciano then started turning up the pace, and was landing punishing blows to Alis body and head. Ali admittedly said he struggled with Marcianos style. Ali in his own words said he could not lift his arms after a few rounds, and his body had welts on it afterwards. There is no mention of Ali dishing anything out on marciano.

I wouldn�¢����t say this was a totally realistic matchup, but it does shine light on what really happened.

what people don�¢����t know is a short strong pressure fighter will always give a lean fast outboxer problems, because the out boxer can only do one thing: run. Because he�¢����s not a huge puncher to begin with Ali will struggle (and did) punching down at a man 5 ft 10 who is crouching down to 5 ft 6. Its actually a stylistic nightmare.

emmanuel stewart said the Frazier vs Ali bout should be avoided, but money made it happen.

styles make fights. Ali schooled Foreman but Foreman crushed Frazier.

I think the computer fight does give us a lot of info about the rock though. He is a smaller heavyweight for sure. He is also an incredibly strong man and its obvious to see. Ali can�¢����t budge him or even tie him up. Which makes sense because Marciano did punch an old louis clean out of the ring while weighing 186 lbs to Louis 212.

when we talk about fighters this great its hard to really make a call, but in my mind Marciano has a great chance of winning if it was for all the marbles. Marciano was a very determined fighter with a subtle ring craft that most don�¢����t see. He loved fighting. Him and Harry Greb both had this attribute.

This rock? Has a chance

[Ascended]

It was supposed to be a sparring session. Marciano was so eager to test himself against Ali that he worked himself into a frenzy working out and was running 10 miles a day. He dropped 35 lbs.

Ali on the other hand was about 235 lbs, but yes much younger and more youthful, a bigger athlete.

however, Ali wasn�¢����t ready to spar with Rocky. In the book �¢����the ghost in the machine�¢���� is documents what went down at this event.

Ali was being hit too the body and arms very hard, he started complaining as he was swelling up on his ribs and arms. Eventually he got mad and tagged Rocky with a flush cross. As expected though, all it did was make Marciano breath fire. Marciano then started turning up the pace, and was landing punishing blows to Alis body and head. Ali admittedly said he struggled with Marcianos style. Ali in his own words said he could not lift his arms after a few rounds, and his body had welts on it afterwards. There is no mention of Ali dishing anything out on marciano.

I wouldn�¢����t say this was a totally realistic matchup, but it does shine light on what really happened.

what people don�¢����t know is a short strong pressure fighter will always give a lean fast outboxer problems, because the out boxer can only do one thing: run. Because he�¢����s not a huge puncher to begin with Ali will struggle (and did) punching down at a man 5 ft 10 who is crouching down to 5 ft 6. Its actually a stylistic nightmare.

emmanuel stewart said the Frazier vs Ali bout should be avoided, but money made it happen.

styles make fights. Ali schooled Foreman but Foreman crushed Frazier.

I think the computer fight does give us a lot of info about the rock though. He is a smaller heavyweight for sure. He is also an incredibly strong man and its obvious to see. Ali can�¢����t budge him or even tie him up. Which makes sense because Marciano did punch an old louis clean out of the ring while weighing 186 lbs to Louis 212.

when we talk about fighters this great its hard to really make a call, but in my mind Marciano has a great chance of winning if it was for all the marbles. Marciano was a very determined fighter with a subtle ring craft that most don�¢����t see. He loved fighting. Him and Harry Greb both had this attribute.

How about this guy anybody as advanced rock fought as this guy son fought

[them_apples]

How about this guy 4th guy Ali fought? you said in you're mind rock has a chance?

Does any of those guys look like guys rock fought? If not that means you're thoughts mean nothing, and the only thing matters is video and all those no-names I showed were way more advanced than the whole era Rock fought in which means Rock would never have any chance cause he wasn't used to those advanced techs

His era looks novice like

I can post many other legends/mid careers who fought in the 70s-'90s they all would show vs every no-name or mid-carder they were way more advanced than the whole rock era coincidence? Or did boxers get way more advanced

I’m not trying to be an ******* here, but what determines skill and tech for you? Do you know what that even is? Seems like you have this base level lense that does an eye test, most of it based off of the quality of footage. Fighters seem to become “more advanced” as soon as the footage starts becoming clearer.

obviously your lense knows very little about the art of fist fighting, and thats why they appear to you less advanced, and also partially because old film also requires reading, since 15 fps won’t describe how someone actually moved.

[Ascended]

I�m not trying to be an ******* here, but what determines skill and tech for you? Do you know what that even is? Seems like you have this base level lense that does an eye test, most of it based off of the quality of footage. Fighters seem to become �more advanced� as soon as the footage starts becoming clearer.

obviously your lense knows very little about the art of fist fighting, and thats why they appear to you less advanced, and also partially because old film also requires reading, since 15 fps won�t describe how someone actually moved.

Does any of those guys look like guys rock fought? If not that means you're thoughts mean nothing, and the only thing matters is video and all those no-names I showed were way more advanced than the whole era Rock fought in which means Rock would never have any chance cause he wasn't used to those advanced techs

and no you crazy idiot it isn't the footage being more clear the fighters in this era use more angles/smoother/better tech/fight smarter/way more defense

and also reading can't change video so that made no sense to say that

[QueensburyRules]

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[them_apples]

Just seen this,Louis didnt telegraph his right.Schmeling beat him because, after jabbing Louis did not return his left to the guard position. Max drew the jab and countered over the top of it with his right this is common knowledge.

We know schmeling said he saw a weakness in Louis style, referring to what you said. It could be said he also got that perfect shot in and Louis just never recovered.

louis sticks his jab out completely and does not pull it. This is what creates that snapping motion. Where the punch starts slower and ends faster (smooth start). By doing this his jab avoids detection of the opponent's reflexes. Because this leaves his chin open to some degree he relies on his blackburn stance and his ability to ride off or look off counter right hands.

when we watch schmeling get Louis, Louis is handily winning, and has been for a long time. Schmeling looked like he wasn’t gonna make it. In this moment Louis let his guard down and paid the price. Which of course was a great move by schmeling, but it couldn’t be repeated.

[them_apples]

How about this guy anybody as advanced rock fought as this guy son fought

How exactly would higher fps give fighters way more advanced tech and fix flaws? You're slow


no you crazy idiot it isn't the footage being more clear the fighters in this era use more angles/smoother/better tech/fight smarter/way more defense

this is 60s cams these weren't as good as 80s yet I can still see in every area I named they are way more advanced then novice like fighters in 30-40s,it wouldn't matter if the cams were recorded in 60fps with no skipping of frames how can that make them more advanced in the areas I named? See how it doesn't make any sense saying that odd quote its idiotic

and these guys in 60s weren't as advanced in the areas I named as the guys in 80s that has nothing to do with cam quality either you slow idiot

I don’t know what to say. I came across your youtube channel by accident one day. If people knew who they were arguing with….

I know its impossible to win an argument with you because you can’t understand anything.

[Ascended]

I don�t know what to say. I came across your youtube channel by accident one day. If people knew who they were arguing with�.

I know its impossible to win an argument with you because you can�t understand anything.

How about this guy anybody as advanced rock fought as this guy son fought

How exactly would higher fps give fighters way more advanced tech and fix flaws? You're slow


no you crazy idiot it isn't the footage being more clear the fighters in this era use more angles/smoother/better tech/fight smarter/way more defense

this is 60s cams these weren't as good as 80s yet I can still see in every area I named they are way more advanced then novice like fighters in 30-40s,it wouldn't matter if the cams were recorded in 60fps with no skipping of frames how can that make them more advanced in the areas I named? See how it doesn't make any sense saying that odd quote its idiotic

and these guys in 60s weren't as advanced in the areas I named as the guys in 80s that has nothing to do with cam quality either you slow idiot

[Ascended]

I�m not trying to be an ******* here, but what determines skill and tech for you? Do you know what that even is? Seems like you have this base level lense that does an eye test, most of it based off of the quality of footage. Fighters seem to become �more advanced� as soon as the footage starts becoming clearer.

obviously your lense knows very little about the art of fist fighting, and thats why they appear to you less advanced, and also partially because old film also requires reading, since 15 fps won�t describe how someone actually moved.

anybody rock fought as advanced as this guy joe fought? 3rd match he had

[QueensburyRules]

- - Answer: MonkeyMan can’t count that high…duh…

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