How would Joe Louis and Rocky Marciano fare against modern Heavies?

[JAB5239]

I can do that but i don't have a order of ranking cause Its hard for me to decide is that ok to post a random list or does the order matter and I dont know if your talking resume or skill

I just want to see these 20 better heavyweights than Louis. You can go ahead and mix the skill fighters and the resume fighters if you'd like.

[Ascended]

Because Joe's old and you don't like his movement as much it is outdated?

Shouldn't effectiveness matter?

I mean to say, before any technique, movement, physics, whatever you like to call it is considered outdated shouldn't it fail at some point and be abandoned by fighters because it is failing?

How is Sonny Liston's movement compared to Joe Louis's?

Son is trash i hate his movement that dude looked like a amateur

i will say Joe movement was better then his joe whole tech is better when compared joe isn't as hesitant and is better in his movements he isnt nowhere near as stiff or does he look like he is just now learning to throw a punch like son I hate how that man moved and punched its embarrassing he was in that era and moved that way even though his tech should had been way better
It makes it that much worse cause son was a big name

yea it was people who still were outdated in movement but as a whole 70s were better

it was a lw who used almost the same style as joe do you know his name but he was more advanced he was in the 80s

[Ascended]

I just want to see these 20 better heavyweights than Louis. You can go ahead and mix the skill fighters and the resume fighters if you'd like.

No I can't cause you will pick it out i told you I can't compare to your fiction joe to my joe

[JAB5239]

No I can't cause you will pick it out i told you I can't compare to your fiction joe to my joe

Im not going to pick out anything, id just like to see your list. It doesnt matter anyway as lists are purely subjective. So why not post it?

[Marchegiano]

Son is trash i hate his movement that dude looked like a amateur

i will say Joe movement was better then his joe whole tech is better when compared joe isn't as hesitant and is better in his movements he isnt nowhere near as stiff or does he look like he is just now learning to throw a punch like son I hate how that man moved and punched its embarrassing he was in that era and moved that way even though his tech should had been way better
It makes it that much worse cause son was a big name

yea it was people who still were outdated in movement but as a whole 70s were better

it was a lw who used almost the same style as joe do you know his name but he was more advanced he was in the 80s

Yeah I brought up Sonny because he's maybe closer to say the 30s fighters than 60s fighters in terms of movement. I was just seeing your assessment.

Of course people use outdated movement, but my point is it's not really bad to do unless it's not working. For example, the Mike Tyson/David Tua style is dead. No HWs anyway, who use the peek-a-boo guard, upper body sways, dips, bows, etc. Mike did real good in his era, David did pretty good, it's hard to call that a failed style so much as no longer in fashion.



This is what I think is interesting. I wouldn't call Joe, Son, Foreman, hell even Primo Carnera, outdated. I don't think I ever saw Wlad keep up with a simple pivot and he was successful. Yeah, i"m saying Wlad's as **** at movement as Joe, Sonny, George, and Primo, but also like them, pretty damn good at gap control. So I think the Joe Louis way of moving about the ring is still pretty up to date.

However, Marciano, **** on. He's all wrong, watch his feet, center of balance, even his guard is like....TF you doing man...All sorts of wrong. I get it's easy to focus on the stumbles and just say ah bad footwork, but if you stop there you're missing the big picture. Watch his feet and balance while he's being successful and doesn't on the surface look so sloppy. He's still wrong Because he's actually using outdated movement. Bare knuckle guys step back foot first, not modern boxers. Marciano steps backfoot first often because he's all power all the time, like Bk fighters were. It's also a big reason why he can drop his heavies at any point in his fight.

Totally outdated, was outdated when he did it too. Been out of date since like 1888...that rhymes but it's actually a reference to John L not a ****** poem.

I'm not seeing that with other examples. I don't think Joe's outdated, people fight similarly to him and still have success. Marciano's a throwback's throwback. His hands are the ancient ways and his feets are straight out of fencing with fists. Honestly, take a look at my sig posts, I clearly know a ****load of history. Marciano is a history lesson all on his own. Take him in and understand him and you ain't even got to do all the reading I've done to understand the old ways. Respect it or not, he's great for understanding alone

[Ascended]

Yeah I brought up Sonny because he's maybe closer to say the 30s fighters than 60s fighters in terms of movement. I was just seeing your assessment.

Of course people use outdated movement, but my point is it's not really bad to do unless it's not working. For example, the Mike Tyson/David Tua style is dead. No HWs anyway, who use the peek-a-boo guard, upper body sways, dips, bows, etc. Mike did real good in his era, David did pretty good, it's hard to call that a failed style so much as no longer in fashion.



This is what I think is interesting. I wouldn't call Joe, Son, Foreman, hell even Primo Carnera, outdated. I don't think I ever saw Wlad keep up with a simple pivot and he was successful. Yeah, i"m saying Wlad's as **** at movement as Joe, Sonny, George, and Primo, but also like them, pretty damn good at gap control. So I think the Joe Louis way of moving about the ring is still pretty up to date.

However, Marciano, **** on. He's all wrong, watch his feet, center of balance, even his guard is like....TF you doing man...All sorts of wrong. I get it's easy to focus on the stumbles and just say ah bad footwork, but if you stop there you're missing the big picture. Watch his feet and balance while he's being successful and doesn't on the surface look so sloppy. He's still wrong Because he's actually using outdated movement. Bare knuckle guys step back foot first, not modern boxers. Marciano steps backfoot first often because he's all power all the time, like Bk fighters were. It's also a big reason why he can drop his heavies at any point in his fight.

Totally outdated, was outdated when he did it too. Been out of date since like 1888...that rhymes but it's actually a reference to John L not a ****** poem.

I'm not seeing that with other examples. I don't think Joe's outdated, people fight similarly to him and still have success. Marciano's a throwback's throwback. His hands are the ancient ways and his feets are straight out of fencing with fists. Honestly, take a look at my sig posts, I clearly know a ****load of history. Marciano is a history lesson all on his own. Take him in and understand him and you ain't even got to do all the reading I've done to understand the old ways. Respect it or not, he's great for understanding alone

But see what you said say how they fight similar but the people who do fight similar they have more advances to their movement like I always said its more stuff they do like lateral while moving throwing punches

People like bowe who threw mutiple punches from angles while moving lateral
or throwing punches with 1 arm smoothly while blocking with the other

these things wasnt done the same way as the 70s-90s which is why I pointed you to the ali joe vid that vid shows mutiple combos of movement they just didn't do in Joe's era cause they didn't know how their whole movement looks basic compared

are you telling me you couldn't see the mutiple new movements I said along with others with the people Ali fought and the people Joe fought and the smoothness of the punches and movements in the ali era your telling me you couldn't see those changes even though the vids are side by side

I gave the breakdown couple days ago of wlad and I gave a none insulting comparison to Bill and jers and I did give credit to jers and bill for having more flashy movements but like I said they still were unpolished compared to wlad add on top of that the small movement advances I told you that wlad had that automatically makes him more up to date then both

It is people who I have seen move like rocky as far as that high shoulder tucked and cautious i would say ruiz but he has smoother movement and throws combos from more angles this is the type of advances I always talk on you can compare this to rock and see he looks basic and stiff compared

[Ascended]

Im not going to pick out anything, id just like to see your list. It doesnt matter anyway as lists are purely subjective. So why not post it?

No it does matter cause you know how you are with me you will say where are the quotes remember thats what you care of

[Ascended]

Yeah I brought up Sonny because he's maybe closer to say the 30s fighters than 60s fighters in terms of movement. I was just seeing your assessment.

Of course people use outdated movement, but my point is it's not really bad to do unless it's not working. For example, the Mike Tyson/David Tua style is dead. No HWs anyway, who use the peek-a-boo guard, upper body sways, dips, bows, etc. Mike did real good in his era, David did pretty good, it's hard to call that a failed style so much as no longer in fashion.



This is what I think is interesting. I wouldn't call Joe, Son, Foreman, hell even Primo Carnera, outdated. I don't think I ever saw Wlad keep up with a simple pivot and he was successful. Yeah, i"m saying Wlad's as **** at movement as Joe, Sonny, George, and Primo, but also like them, pretty damn good at gap control. So I think the Joe Louis way of moving about the ring is still pretty up to date.

However, Marciano, **** on. He's all wrong, watch his feet, center of balance, even his guard is like....TF you doing man...All sorts of wrong. I get it's easy to focus on the stumbles and just say ah bad footwork, but if you stop there you're missing the big picture. Watch his feet and balance while he's being successful and doesn't on the surface look so sloppy. He's still wrong Because he's actually using outdated movement. Bare knuckle guys step back foot first, not modern boxers. Marciano steps backfoot first often because he's all power all the time, like Bk fighters were. It's also a big reason why he can drop his heavies at any point in his fight.

Totally outdated, was outdated when he did it too. Been out of date since like 1888...that rhymes but it's actually a reference to John L not a ****** poem.

I'm not seeing that with other examples. I don't think Joe's outdated, people fight similarly to him and still have success. Marciano's a throwback's throwback. His hands are the ancient ways and his feets are straight out of fencing with fists. Honestly, take a look at my sig posts, I clearly know a ****load of history. Marciano is a history lesson all on his own. Take him in and understand him and you ain't even got to do all the reading I've done to understand the old ways. Respect it or not, he's great for understanding alone

Here is the breakdown I gave to shoulder couple days ago i was looking for it took a min cause im on phone so it deletes my history

Bill he moves good he punches while moving forward his tech is good but this isn't sloopy or is his tech bad cause im talking looking back at his era only
he was fast and good with combos from angles
at times when he wanted to be patient he could be and counter good

Jersey the best mover of the whole era flashy could pick you apart from range
great head movement
Was able to confuse his victims cause of the flashy head movement
great counter puncher when he wanted to show off combined with his combos with speed

klit doesn't move flashy like jers moves real slow compared to both but has a big reach
isn't as active as those 2 seems like that would be a flaw yea that can be seen as that but looking at it this way made him more dangerous

His low activeness allowed him to read good
he was a picker i would compare his patience that of a young Ali but even more patient cause wlad was slower he needed to be more patient cause his speed was slow but great aiming which is hard to be at that type of speed

often at times waited for his person to punch then intercepted their punches
able to keep a person at range with his hard jabs
defense agian not as active as jers and bill on the move but kept 1 arm up while punching with the other smoothly

both jers and still being active more then wlad their punch tech still wasnt as smooth and both most the time were more wild compared

Is any of this wrong cause its all from visual and its nonebias like you see

[JAB5239]

No it does matter cause you know how you are with me you will say where are the quotes remember thats what you care of

I guess you're afraid to post your list. Either that or you're just trolling everyone. And here i thought you would be a man of your word and do it after you said "I can do that" after i asked for the list.

[Ascended]

I guess you're afraid to post your list. Either that or you're just trolling everyone. And here i thought you would be a man of your word and do it after you said "I can do that" after i asked for the list.

I can do it i will u forget I use alot of detail that most dont so I'll have to give u the reasons to of said fighters