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  • JAB5239
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    #351
    Originally posted by Ivich

    Max Baer
    Max Schmeling
    Joe Louis
    Ezzard Charles
    Muhammad Ali
    Wlad
    Patterson
    Liston
    Holmes
    Tyson

    These are just the men that were champions. I'm betting guys like Quarry. Chuvalo, Cleveland Williams and such can push the limits on this.

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      #352
      Originally posted by Bundana

      How about Arreola?

      In the 2009 end-of-year HW list he's ranked #6... and before losing to Vitali in September of that year, he had knocked out Jameel McCline in April. In the notes for that fight on BoxRec, it says that Arreola entered the fight as The Ring's #8 ranked HW... so I would guess, that he hadn't been dropped from their Top-10 by the time he met Vitali? Anyone with the monthly rankings in front of them should easily be able to find out.
      - - Arreola was undefeated as I recall, and definitely had a ring ranking. Gave Vit a tough fight for extended rounds, but lack of defense did him in.

      Boxrec used to have monthly ratings for every year. Yeah, still working on their algorithm that they have butchered too many times when it looked like they had arrived to consensus. Easier to use, gone now, or at least the last time I looked.

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      • Dr. Z
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        #353
        Originally posted by JAB5239

        He lost to Byrd, so that doesn't count. He has Sanders though. Solis was not ranked. That's been established already. He was WBC ranked.
        We are want for you 10 name ten better heavyweights with top 10 ring magazine ranked wins. Remember to have proof of what you say. Friday is enough time.

        I ask the board for no helping him, he is a big boy.
        Last edited by Dr. Z; 02-07-2023, 04:00 PM.

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        • Dr. Z
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          #354
          Originally posted by Ivich
          Gavilan is a consensus top ten all time welterweight champion.

          Vitali fought Danny Williams,that guy whose record is 54-32 with17 ko losses.
          Vitali fought Ross Puritty,that guy whose record is31-20-3.

          Name the ten fighters who were Ring ranked when Vitali fought them?
          Vitali had 47 pro boxing fights and 14 amateur ones, thats 61 in total
          So are are you now claiming he had over 240 kick boxing bouts , pro and amateur?

          Post them!
          Because I've just read his pro kick boxing resume and it states his record is 34-1! That combined with his amateur and pro boxing fights comes to a total of 95 So you have to find around another 200 bouts to support your claim that.
          "he had over 300 + matches"

          The Official Fight Critic

          8 years ago
          Vitali Klitschko - Ukraine - 45-2-0 pro boxing record - boxing champion with 17 defenses. 34-1 pro kickboxing record - ​
          Shut up already! No Vitali did not have 14 amateur fights. No helping him you dunce cap, if Jab's man he would not take ANY pm's on the topic either.

          Vitali was 190-15 as an amateur boxer. Now guess how many total combined fights he had. Hint hint, box rec won't help you.

          195 wins, 15 losses

          Amateur boxing record: 195 wins, 15 losses. Kickboxing record: 34 wins (22 knockouts,) 2 losses (2 knockouts.) He was a kickboxing world champion six times (winning amateur world championships twice and professional championship tournaments four​

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          • Dr. Z
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            #355
            Originally posted by JAB5239

            Wlad
            Patterson
            Liston
            Holmes
            Tyson

            These are just the men that were champions. I'm betting guys like Quarry. Chuvalo, Cleveland Williams and such can push the limits on this.
            Sure Cleveland Williams beat more ring magazine ranked contenders. Don't forget to list them with proof on what you type.

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            • JAB5239
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              #356
              Originally posted by Dr. Z

              We are want for you 10 name ten better heavyweights with top 10 ring magazine ranked wins. Remember to have proof of what you say. Friday is enough time.

              I ask the board for no helping him, he is a big boy.
              First off, speak English. Second, I posted it in the other thread. Prove me wrong!

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              • JAB5239
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                #357
                Originally posted by Dr. Z

                Sure Cleveland Williams beat more ring magazine ranked contenders. Don't forget to list them with proof on what you type.
                Your reading comprehension, much like your boxing knowledge is truly lacking.

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                • Ivich
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                  #358
                  Originally posted by JAB5239

                  Your reading comprehension, much like your boxing knowledge is truly lacking.
                  He is illiterate.

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                    #359
                    Originally posted by Dr. Z

                    We are want for you 10 name ten better heavyweights with top 10 ring magazine ranked wins. Remember to have proof of what you say. Friday is enough time.

                    I ask the board for no helping him, he is a big boy.
                    Are we discussing Vitali's prowess or yours?

                    What matter if everyone joins in, we're looking for an answer to whether or not Vitali's opposition was of a high caliber or not, not whether you or Jab knows more information.

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                    • Ivich
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                      #360
                      Originally posted by Dr. Z

                      Shut up already! No Vitali did not have 14 amateur fights. No helping him you dunce cap, if Jab's man he would not take ANY pm's on the topic either.

                      Vitali was 190-15 as an amateur boxer. Now guess how many total combined fights he had. Hint hint, box rec won't help you.

                      195 wins, 15 losses

                      Amateur boxing record: 195 wins, 15 losses. Kickboxing record: 34 wins (22 knockouts,) 2 losses (2 knockouts.) He was a kickboxing world champion six times (winning amateur world championships twice and professional championship tournaments four​
                      Banned from the Atlanta Olympics for PED abuse.

                      Jun 29, 2013 · Boxer Vitali Klitschko, meanwhile, revealed in his 2004 autobiography that he took steroids in 1996 and was thrown off the Ukrainian team before the Atlanta Olympics.​
                      Last edited by Ivich; 02-08-2023, 05:47 AM.

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