is Lennox Lewis overrated on boxing forums

[IronDanHamza]

Lewis vs Tua. Lewis was a 3-1 favourite. Tua is rarely even mentioned on the list over Lewis' wins. People forget he was #1 contender and extremely dangerous.

Good joke.

He's listed as one of his best wins. In this thread alone.

[LacedUp]

Stay busy fights and mandatories I said.

No they're defintely better than Akinwande. If not worse.

The only wins that are really a lot better than those listed wins for Lewis are Holyfield and Vitali. That's what edges him ahead, many of the others are the same level wins.

I didn't list Thompson, Peter 2, Rahman or Chambers but some of those aren't too far off some of Lewis "good wins" either.

You're here saying "Chris Byrd? Come on!!"

Yet, you're listing an out of shape David Tua as a good win for Lewis that's levels above guys like Byrd.

Yet, Byrd beat David Tua.

So how does that make sense? How is Tua a different level to Byrd? Clearly he isn't at all.

That right there just epitomises the fact that Lewis IS overrated.

Honestly, as crap as Akinwande was, he's at least on the level of all of Wlad's stay busy fights. And mind you he's probably Lewis' worst championship defense and was also a mandatory as far as memory goes.

How can they be on the same level as Golota for example when Golota literally beat up the guy that beat up Holyfield twice, and then Lewis just flattened him in a minute. In comparison, Haye's last performance before facing Wladimir was a 40 year old Audley Harrison. I mean, seriously.

Then you can go into Briggs fighting Foreman, I believe he lost, but still. Grant fighting Golota, Mercer fighting the likes of Holyfield, Morrison, Holmes & ferguson, Morrison was in with Mercer, Foreman, Pinklon Thomas, James Tillis, Ruddock, Carl Williams, Bruno fighting some good names..

The guys Lewis fought were all established heavyweights. you don't see any Mormeck, Wach, Pianeta, Leapai, Tony Thompson - other old never were's on Lewis resume. And he didn't just pick them out of a hat and built them up, they had actually made their name against other established fighters before fighting him.

I wasn't referring to Tua being better than Byrd, just that Byrd would have been knocked into next week had he ever fought Lewis.

Are Byrd, Haye and Povetkin - Wlad's three best wins imo - better than Lewis best 3 wins? No. A resounding no.

Are his next 7-10 best wins better than Lewis' next 7-10 best wins. Absolutely not.

Good joke.

He's listed as one of his best wins. In this thread alone.

[LacedUp]

Good joke.

He's listed as one of his best wins. In this thread alone.

I don't think so.

He's rarely mentioned as something special. More like a resume filler for Lewis ala someone like Pulev for Wlad.

[IronDanHamza]

Honestly, as crap as Akinwande was, he's at least on the level of all of Wlad's stay busy fights. And mind you he's probably Lewis' worst championship defense and was also a mandatory as far as memory goes.

How can they be on the same level as Golota for example when Golota literally beat up the guy that beat up Holyfield twice, and then Lewis just flattened him in a minute. In comparison, Haye's last performance before facing Wladimir was a 40 year old Audley Harrison. I mean, seriously.

Then you can go into Briggs fighting Foreman, I believe he lost, but still. Grant fighting Golota, Mercer fighting the likes of Holyfield, Morrison, Holmes & ferguson, Morrison was in with Mercer, Foreman, Pinklon Thomas, James Tillis, Ruddock, Carl Williams, Bruno fighting some good names..

The guys Lewis fought were all established heavyweights. you don't see any Mormeck, Wach, Pianeta, Leapai, Tony Thompson - other old never were's on Lewis resume. And he didn't just pick them out of a hat and built them up, they had actually made their name against other established fighters before fighting him.

I wasn't referring to Tua being better than Byrd, just that Byrd would have been knocked into next week had he ever fought Lewis.

Are Byrd, Haye and Povetkin - Wlad's three best wins imo - better than Lewis best 3 wins? No. A resounding no.

Are his next 7-10 best wins better than Lewis' next 7-10 best wins. Absolutely not.

Yeah obviously not the level of those fights but who cares about those fights? No ones listing them except you.

How were you not? You listed Tua and said Wlad doesn't have wins like that and listed Byrd as a win that's not on the level of Lewis's wins.

Again, makes no sense considering Byrd beat Tua.

I agree Lewis best 3 wins are better than Wlad's.

After that, it's comparable.

I don't have an updated list of HW's but on second thought I probably would rank Lewis slightly ahead.

But by the time Wlad retires he'll likely overtake him on my list.

[IronDanHamza]

I don't think so.

He's rarely mentioned as something special. More like a resume filler for Lewis ala someone like Pulev for Wlad.

How can you possibly say he's rarely mentioned?

Everyone's list of Lewis best wins in this thread has Tua listed.

You yourself listed Tua.

Bump any Lewis thread in this section I guarantee you Tua is listed amongst his best wins.

Which again further shows that Lewis is overrated.

[LacedUp]

Yeah obviously not the level of those fights but who cares about those fights? No ones listing them except you.

How were you not? You listed Tua and said Wlad doesn't have wins like that and listed Byrd as a win that's not on the level of Lewis's wins.

Again, makes no sense considering Byrd beat Tua.

I agree Lewis best 3 wins are better than Wlad's.

After that, it's comparable.

I don't have an updated list of HW's but on second thought I probably would rank Lewis slightly ahead.

But by the time Wlad retires he'll likely overtake him on my list.

But which fights do we care about then? Because those guys take up Wlad's whole resume.

You listed Calvin Brock as a good win for Wlad. His best win is Sultan Ibragimov's cousin and Jameel McCline. I mean, it's just not very good. Wlad's best wins in my book are Povetkin, Haye, Ibragimov, Chambers and Byrd.

Very respectable wins, but none of those are really great. I may have jumped it with Tua - but regardless, that wasn't a top win for Lewis anyway. After those 5 wins for Wlad we are going into Samuel Peter, Tony Thompson and Kubrat Pulev. None of whom had any good wins on their records when they fought Wlad.

I'm arguing myself often whether or not Lewis is a top 10 guy for me. He usually ranks in the bottom of the list though, but his resume is far better than Wlad's still. I don't see who he can fight that will elevate him much further. Wilder yes. Fury yes and maybe if he hangs around long enough to fight Joshua. But he's a victim of his era + he has pretty embarrassing defeats to people that were either journeymen or not even top 10 fighters.

Even Rahman beat Corrie Sanders.

Still don't think it's comparable.

[LacedUp]

How can you possibly say he's rarely mentioned?

Everyone's list of Lewis best wins in this thread has Tua listed.

You yourself listed Tua.

Bump any Lewis thread in this section I guarantee you Tua is listed amongst his best wins.

Which again further shows that Lewis is overrated.

But I didn't list it as a top win. It's on par with his win over Golota or Briggs or Morrison in my opinion.

Though Tua would be a top win for Wlad.

[IronDanHamza]

But which fights do we care about then? Because those guys take up Wlad's whole resume.

You listed Calvin Brock as a good win for Wlad. His best win is Sultan Ibragimov's cousin and Jameel McCline. I mean, it's just not very good. Wlad's best wins in my book are Povetkin, Haye, Ibragimov, Chambers and Byrd.

Very respectable wins, but none of those are really great. I may have jumped it with Tua - but regardless, that wasn't a top win for Lewis anyway. After those 5 wins for Wlad we are going into Samuel Peter, Tony Thompson and Kubrat Pulev. None of whom had any good wins on their records when they fought Wlad.

I'm arguing myself often whether or not Lewis is a top 10 guy for me. He usually ranks in the bottom of the list though, but his resume is far better than Wlad's still. I don't see who he can fight that will elevate him much further. Wilder yes. Fury yes and maybe if he hangs around long enough to fight Joshua. But he's a victim of his era + he has pretty embarrassing defeats to people that were either journeymen or not even top 10 fighters.

Even Rahman beat Corrie Sanders.

Still don't think it's comparable.

The ones that aren't routine mandatories or stay busy fights. I agree he's had more than I'd like recently and I've been critical but he's also had many that aren't.

I listed Brock because that's the standard. He was considered a decent threat at the time.

None of those guys are great, I agree. But the same can be said for Lewis.

But none of the guys Lewis beat were great. The only great fighter he beat was Holyfield in 1999, who was considered shot in 1996. Obviously he wasn't shot, but it tells you how passed his best he was.

Again, Tua is listed as a top win that's absolutely clear. Read back this very thread and see if he's mentioned in his top wins. Tua is one if his top wins.

If Wlad beats Wilder and Fury I would rank him above Lewis.

And I agree with your Top 10 statement.

[sonnyboyx2]

Exactly.....Briggs, Golata, Grant to name few. And Lewis was dominant agianst them as well.

Briggs, Golota, Grant, Botha, Fortune, Akinwande, Mavrovic, Butler, Jackson all hand pcked for harmlessness. They had never beaten a fighter with a pulse.

[LacedUp]

Briggs, Golota, Grant, Botha, Fortune, Akinwande, Mavrovic, Butler, Jackson all hand pcked for harmlessness. They had never beaten a fighter with a pulse.

Lewis signed with HBO to fight the winner of Briggs and Foreman. Golota was #1 contender. Grant was #1 contender. Akinwande was mandatory. Mavrovic was crap. Butler and Fortune were coming off a devastating defeat and not championship defenses. Everyone has Botha's on their resume.