is Lennox Lewis overrated on boxing forums

[LacedUp]

The only fighter you listed who was genuinely favoured to beat Lewis was Razor Ruddock.

So I think it's you that's looking back in hindsight.

I'm not saying he wasn't the favourite, although I seem to remember Holyfield was a slight favourite in their first fight?

What I'm saying is that people thought these guys had a very good chance. Similar with Vitali. Look back at the build up, a lot of people felt Lewis was too old. Maybe he was.

We know these guys he's fighting don't even have a punchers chance. Of course, he takes some credit as well - but if these guys like Pulev, Wach, Chambers, Pianeta, Leapai, Povetkin etc fought Lewis, they wouldn't really either.

I just simply can't see how that lot could be better than Tua, Briggs, Holyfield, Morrison, Bruno, Rudduck, Tyson, Vitali, Grant, Golota etc.

I don't think there's a comparison. Even Wladimir admits that he didn't have any challengers for a long time and Stewart used to laugh at the opponents. They don't even come in shape for crying out loud.

[LacedUp]

You're asking me to list fighers Wlad fought that compare to Frank Bruno and Tommy Morrison.

Why is it when Lewis apparent great resume gets citied, these dead average names are listed? Look at that list, are you impressed by that?

Morrison and Bruno are no better than Haye and Povetkin.

You've stated that Wlad was stopped by Saunders and Brewester. True, he was. But Lewis was stopped by McCall and Rahman.

I won't argue Lewis having a better resume than Wlad. Much better? Not really.

Well, you mentioned two "dead average" wins of Lewis against Wlad's two best wins? Doesn't that explain itself?

Lewis rematched his defeats too. It all adds to it.

[IronDanHamza]

I'm not saying he wasn't the favourite, although I seem to remember Holyfield was a slight favourite in their first fight?

What I'm saying is that people thought these guys had a very good chance. Similar with Vitali. Look back at the build up, a lot of people felt Lewis was too old. Maybe he was.

We know these guys he's fighting don't even have a punchers chance. Of course, he takes some credit as well - but if these guys like Pulev, Wach, Chambers, Pianeta, Leapai, Povetkin etc fought Lewis, they wouldn't really either.

I just simply can't see how that lot could be better than Tua, Briggs, Holyfield, Morrison, Bruno, Rudduck, Tyson, Vitali, Grant, Golota etc.

I don't think there's a comparison. Even Wladimir admits that he didn't have any challengers for a long time and Stewart used to laugh at the opponents. They don't even come in shape for crying out loud.

David Tua didn't come in shape but you're listing him for Lewis.

Guys like Wach, Lepai and Pineta but they are stay busy fights or mandatories he has to get out the way. So "that lot" aren't.

But Peter, Haye, Pulev, Povetkin, Byrd, Chagaev, Ibragimov, Brock etc etc are. Many of those guys are better than the likes of Briggs, Bruno and Akinwande that are being listed as good wins for Lewis.

Many of those above listed people thought had a "good chance" to beat Wlad aswell.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

David Tua didn't come in shape but you're listing him for Lewis.

Guys like Wach, Lepai and Pineta but they are stay busy fights or mandatories he has to get out the way. So "that lot" aren't.

But Peter, Haye, Pulev, Povetkin, Byrd, Chagaev, Ibragimov, Brock etc etc are. Many of those guys are better than the likes of Briggs, Bruno and Akinwande that are being listed as good wins for Lewis.

Many of those above listed people thought had a "good chance" to beat Wlad aswell.

Toney didn't come into shape for roy jones, yet you give roy full credit,,, why are you playing the "tua was out of shape card"
Keep it consistent

[IronDanHamza]

Well, you mentioned two "dead average" wins of Lewis against Wlad's two best wins? Doesn't that explain itself?

Lewis rematched his defeats too. It all adds to it.

That guy asked what wins Wlad has that are better than the ones he listed.

Those dead average wins were listed amongst his best wins like they're supposed to be impressive.

So I listed wins that were better, and they aren't the only ones.

[IronDanHamza]

Toney didn't come into shape for roy jones, yet you give roy full credit,,, why are you playing the "tua was out of shape card"
Keep it consistent

How was Toney's shape any different from any of his other fights?

David Tua was completely different to his other fights when he was in shape and came in one of the Heaviest he'd ever weighed.

Keep it logical.

[LacedUp]

David Tua didn't come in shape but you're listing him for Lewis.

Guys like Wach, Lepai and Pineta but they are stay busy fights or mandatories he has to get out the way. So "that lot" aren't.

But Peter, Haye, Pulev, Povetkin, Byrd, Chagaev, Ibragimov, Brock etc etc are. Many of those guys are better than the likes of Briggs, Bruno and Akinwande that are being listed as good wins for Lewis.

Many of those above listed people thought had a "good chance" to beat Wlad aswell.

Well then 3/4 of Wlad's wins are stay busy fights. I don't understand how you can have 3 stay busy fights in one year? That doesn't make sense to me.

Peter, Pulev, Chagaev on 2 weeks notice, Brock? Come on. They are all Akindwande level for Lewis, if not worse. There are no way they match up favourably against guys like Golota, Tua, Vitali, Ruddock, Grant, Morrison, Tyson or even Rahman.

No not at all. Haye I suppose, Povetkin also. Those other guys or guys like Rahman or Tony Thompson or Chris Byrd or Peter in '10? No way. Or Eddie Chambers?

That guy asked what wins Wlad has that are better than the ones he listed.

Those dead average wins were listed amongst his best wins like they're supposed to be impressive.

So I listed wins that were better, and they aren't the only ones.

I think they were just average on Lewis resume. They match up quite well with Wlad's absolute best wins.

Lewis vs Tua. Lewis was a 3-1 favourite. Tua is rarely even mentioned on the list over Lewis' wins. People forget he was #1 contender and extremely dangerous.

In comparison, Wlad is a 16-1 favourite in his next fight.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

How was Toney's shape any different from any of his other fights?

David Tua was completely different to his other fights when he was in shape and came in one of the Heaviest he'd ever weighed.

Keep it logical.

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Toney had to burn off a huge amount of weight to make weight, had he not had to make weight, he would have showed up like tua did...

It's a double standard to knock lewis' win over tua because he was fat, and then give roy jones full credit for the toney win.. Everyone involved in the fight has been on record that toney wasn't in shape and had to kill himself to make weight. This isn't a secret

[IronDanHamza]

Well then 3/4 of Wlad's wins are stay busy fights. I don't understand how you can have 3 stay busy fights in one year? That doesn't make sense to me.

Peter, Pulev, Chagaev on 2 weeks notice, Brock? Come on. They are all Akindwande level for Lewis, if not worse. There are no way they match up favourably against guys like Golota, Tua, Vitali, Ruddock, Grant, Morrison, Tyson or even Rahman.

No not at all. Haye I suppose, Povetkin also. Those other guys or guys like Rahman or Tony Thompson or Chris Byrd or Peter in '10? No way. Or Eddie Chambers?



I think they were just average on Lewis resume. They match up quite well with Wlad's absolute best wins.

Stay busy fights and mandatories I said.

No they're defintely better than Akinwande. If not worse.

The only wins that are really a lot better than those listed wins for Lewis are Holyfield and Vitali. That's what edges him ahead, many of the others are the same level wins.

I didn't list Thompson, Peter 2, Rahman or Chambers but some of those aren't too far off some of Lewis "good wins" either.

You're here saying "Chris Byrd? Come on!!"

Yet, you're listing an out of shape David Tua as a good win for Lewis that's levels above guys like Byrd.

Yet, Byrd beat David Tua.

So how does that make sense? How is Tua a different level to Byrd? Clearly he isn't at all.

That right there just epitomises the fact that Lewis IS overrated.

[IronDanHamza]

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Toney had to burn off a huge amount of weight to make weight, had he not had to make weight, he would have showed up like tua did...

It's a double standard to knock lewis' win over tua because he was fat, and then give roy jones full credit for the toney win.. Everyone involved in the fight has been on record that toney wasn't in shape and had to kill himself to make weight. This isn't a secret

Again, what was the difference for Toney in the Roy Jones fight and any other Toney fight?

He had to cut big weight for every single fight he had.

There's a big difference between the Tua that fought Lewis and the Tua that came in shape. Literally, on paper there 's a big difference.

So no there is no double standard.

And I only mentioned that Tua was out of shape because Wlad's opponents were said to be "out of shape" yet I keep seeing Tua listed.