From a historical perspective....Cotto?

[Humean]

The Cotto-Martinez fight highlights the problems with lineage and 'resume'. But regardless of how good Martinez did or did not look Cotto looked excellent.

I don't know how i'd rank in order but Cotto, Trinidad, Ortiz, Benitez and Gomez are probably the top 5 for me.

To the history section guys, I asked this question in NSb

Do you think that with cotto being lineal champ at mw, a rematch with Floyd could be made and it be similar to Leonard-Donny ladonde where is for 2 weight classes in the same fight,,
I can imagin a Floyd rematch at 154 for all the belts...

If I was Cotto i'd be desperate for Mayweather and Showtime must surely be interested in him over the less desirable alternatives. At present it looks like they have overvalued Mayweather so they probably need Cotto II or Canelo II. This Cotto might just beat the current Mayweather. He should avoid Golovkin though.

[IronDanHamza]

I still gotta favor Tito, Gomez, and maybe camacho.. Cotto is probably top 5 ever from Rico, but still don't think he is greater than the others..

Beating serg was a great win, but it's not that great historically.. Serg was clearly over the hill

Carlos Ortiz better than all of those IMO.

[IronDanHamza]

I doubt Floyd takes a rematch now as Cotto looks tougher and more determined and brought back the left hook, especially to the body. If Floyd does take a Cotto rematch and wins though, would the finally put a great win on his resume?

How the hell would beating Cotto now be his first great win when he already beat him 2 years ago?

[Ray Corso]

No I don't rate Wilfred high on my list. I don't care for counter movers/counter punchers, if they don't have the right opponent in front of them I'm in for a boring night. You can keep Benitez, Mayweather, Bernard, Calzaghe, J. Young
and any other "none combative" boxer who tries to sell the "beauty of the sport" BS! Try that crap when your pay is off a live gate and see what your counting at the end of the night plus you won't be back.
Those guys should have had to pop a pc of their earnings toward their opponents win or loose for making the fight!
Ray.

[New England]

we've got to give this win time to sink in. we should also wait until cotto's next fight.

prior to knocking out delvin rodriguez, cotto got beaten soundly by austin trout.



martinez was f#cking old, bro. he depended completely on his athletcisim in his prime. reflexes and speed were his bread and butter. he was so fast he could fight with his hands down, in spite of not having a great judgement of distance or balance. he was that fast.

lampley loved him some martinez and carried bias, but he called him the fastest 154 lber he had ever seen. i don't agree with him, but lampley has been ringside at more world class boxing matches than the entire history section combined. the guy knows what he's talking about, in spite of being biased and a goof.



martinez wasn't anywhere near fleet, razor sharp fighter he was in his prime. he looked 900 years old against cotto. he had looked old for a while. he had a ton of trouble with martin murray, matt macklin, and was almost stopped by chavez JR.



cotto caught the right fighter at the right time. it's a great accomplishment for him to become the middleweight champion of the world, but we have to consider the state of martinez.

i was among the many people who had written him off several years ago. i thought he was damaged goods after the margarito fight. props to him. i've considered him a great fighter for a while. he's not in the top 100, but he's a great fighter. great boxer, very good power. he's a bit slow for a great boxer, and he can be hurt and made to back up.

can you imagine how good cotto would have been if he didn't take a beating against margarito with loaded gloves at the height of his prime?

[SBleeder]

No I don't rate Wilfred high on my list. I don't care for counter movers/counter punchers, if they don't have the right opponent in front of them I'm in for a boring night. You can keep Benitez, Mayweather, Bernard, Calzaghe, J. Young
and any other "none combative" boxer who tries to sell the "beauty of the sport" BS! Try that crap when your pay is off a live gate and see what your counting at the end of the night plus you won't be back.
Those guys should have had to pop a pc of their earnings toward their opponents win or loose for making the fight!
Ray.

You must be a huge fan of Nicolino Locche then.

[Humean]

No I don't rate Wilfred high on my list. I don't care for counter movers/counter punchers, if they don't have the right opponent in front of them I'm in for a boring night. You can keep Benitez, Mayweather, Bernard, Calzaghe, J. Young
and any other "none combative" boxer who tries to sell the "beauty of the sport" BS! Try that crap when your pay is off a live gate and see what your counting at the end of the night plus you won't be back.
Those guys should have had to pop a pc of their earnings toward their opponents win or loose for making the fight!
Ray.

Calzaghe was a swarmer that regularly threw around 1000 punches a fight.

How the hell would beating Cotto now be his first great win when he already beat him 2 years ago?

Better version of Cotto? I'm not sure if that would definitely be the case but it just might be.

we've got to give this win time to sink in. we should also wait until cotto's next fight.

prior to knocking out delvin rodriguez, cotto got beaten soundly by austin trout.



martinez was f#cking old, bro. he depended completely on his athletcisim in his prime. reflexes and speed were his bread and butter. he was so fast he could fight with his hands down, in spite of not having a great judgement of distance or balance. he was that fast.

lampley loved him some martinez and carried bias, but he called him the fastest 154 lber he had ever seen. i don't agree with him, but lampley has been ringside at more world class boxing matches than the entire history section combined. the guy knows what he's talking about, in spite of being biased and a goof.



martinez wasn't anywhere near fleet, razor sharp fighter he was in his prime. he looked 900 years old against cotto. he had looked old for a while. he had a ton of trouble with martin murray, matt macklin, and was almost stopped by chavez JR.



cotto caught the right fighter at the right time. it's a great accomplishment for him to become the middleweight champion of the world, but we have to consider the state of martinez.

i was among the many people who had written him off several years ago. i thought he was damaged goods after the margarito fight. props to him. i've considered him a great fighter for a while. he's not in the top 100, but he's a great fighter. great boxer, very good power. he's a bit slow for a great boxer, and he can be hurt and made to back up.

can you imagine how good cotto would have been if he didn't take a beating against margarito with loaded gloves at the height of his prime?

Martinez did seem to suffer a concussion in the first round and Cotto did look really sharp so it is possible that Martinez could have looked that way even if he was at full health. At the very least Martinez was certainly very rusty, I think the knee problems probably hindered his preparation more than anything, too busy making sure he didn't reinjure himself so that he wouldn't lose out on the Cotto money.

Cotto definitely lost to Trout and it was by some distance his worst performance but I don't think that performance was at all representative of his abilities at this stage of his career. I think the Cotto that beat up Martinez would beat up the Trout that defeated him in 2012.

[- Ram Raid -]

When gloves are hung and dust settles into resin. Then we'll know.

[The Surgeon]

Some of my all time favourites hail from PR - Bazooka Gomez, Tito Trinidad and even more so Miguel. I think their best fighter though is Gomez or Ortiz, the islands favourite son is still Felix Tito Trinidad though.

[Anthony342]

How the hell would beating Cotto now be his first great win when he already beat him 2 years ago?

Because he's better now.