Ike Ibeabuchi VS Joe Louis

[Ascended]

Unfair to use the Walcott fights as examples.

Louis himself said in '46 "I see the openings I just can't pull the trigger [in time].

Louis in Walcott II has that one moment when it all comes back to him but he was finished as a champion and knew it and quit. Until the IRS came knocking.

But that's not the Louis to judge.

Unfair how when he and bill were the best movers of that whole era wasnt he younger when he fought bill and he made joe struggle to land so you make no sense it doesnt matter which age joe was with jers he would still struggle to land

You want me to use a match where joe had it easy to find his target when this topic is ike a man who doesn't just stand there not using any movement the man would give great angles and counter just like jers did so tell me agian with any logic why the jers match shouldn't be used

[Ascended]

Tell me about the advances in movement and angles. The same movement and aes have always existed. There is nothing new. If so, please beak it down for us. You seem to be the only one who doesn't get this. You keep repeating yourself instead of pro iding evidence. The links I have provided prove you wrong. I'm only asking you show something and break it down to prove otherwise.

Evidence is on video

No the advances haven't always been there it became better in 60s and then on i have broke it down multiple times you wont get it why am i repeating if im wrong im not wrong its on video

[JAB5239]

Evidence is on video

No the advances haven't always been there it became better in 60s and then on i have broke it down multiple times you wont get it why am i repeating if im wrong im not wrong its on video

You have not broken anything down. I'm asking specifically what advances you're talking about and to cite examples. You keep saying it's on video. All the video I see shows Louis being the most technically proficient heavyweight ever. You say competition is better but you don't prove anything. I've posted both links and video that debunks your opinion. Others have chimed in to as why as well. You just keep saying it's on video. Break it down for us. Obviously you're an intelligent well rounded student of the game, I don't think you going into some detail is to much to ask.

[Willie Pep 229]

Unfair how when he and bill were the best movers of that whole era wasnt he younger when he fought bill and he made joe struggle to land so you make no sense it doesnt matter which age joe was with jers he would still struggle to land

You want me to use a match where joe had it easy to find his target when this topic is ike a man who doesn't just stand there not using any movement the man would give great angles and counter just like jers did so tell me agian with any logic why the jers match shouldn't be used

Is "bill" Billy Conn?

If you're going to use his first name at least call him Billy.

He stopped Conn twice so I think we can assume he can hit a 'mover.'

Why do you keep pointing to fighters he KOed, Conn and Walcott as fighters he couldn't hit?

[JAB5239]

Is "bill" Billy Conn?

If you're going to use his first name at least call him Billy.

He stopped Conn twice so I think we can assume he can hit a 'mover.'

Why do you keep pointing to fighters he KOed, Conn and Walcott as fighters he couldn't hit?

Come on, Bill and Jer only got ko'd because they stopped moving.

[billeau2]

Is "bill" Billy Conn?

If you're going to use his first name at least call him Billy.

He stopped Conn twice so I think we can assume he can hit a 'mover.'

Why do you keep pointing to fighters he KOed, Conn and Walcott as fighters he couldn't hit?

can I answer for him? Please!!!? Great!!!! Dear Pep, it is because I am a moron! Mext question for Money man?

[billeau2]

Unfair how when he and bill were the best movers of that whole era wasnt he younger when he fought bill and he made joe struggle to land so you make no sense it doesnt matter which age joe was with jers he would still struggle to land

You want me to use a match where joe had it easy to find his target when this topic is ike a man who doesn't just stand there not using any movement the man would give great angles and counter just like jers did so tell me agian with any logic why the jers match shouldn't be used

Bill? Moron Oh wait... You must mean Billy Conn's twin brother! When Mrs Conn was asked why she named her boys BIll and Billy she stated "well on a bender I did not want to forget their names and all...

[billeau2]

Come on, Bill and Jer only got ko'd because they stopped moving.

You mean the one and only Bill Conn?

[JAB5239]

You mean the one and only Bill Conn?

"My friends call me Willy" -Billy Conn 1946

This is not a real quote. -JAB5239

[billeau2]

"My friends call me Willy" -Billy Conn 1946

This is not a real quote. -JAB5239

ahhyes willie conn of course (in maxwell smart voice).