Ike Ibeabuchi VS Joe Louis

[billeau2]

The dumbazz thinks boxing's a ******** video game

Can we even call that "thinking" in any conventional sense?

[JAB5239]

Can we even call that "thinking" in any conventional sense?

I'm going to coin a new phrase "shrinking thinking". When one mind continually closes until it is completely closed and close no more.

[Ascended]

You've been nice and not called me names? This is the internet, do you think name calling would bother me in any way?

If you don't "talk from opinions" you should be able to answer my questions. You are avoiding the questions, it's that simple. And my "opinions" are backed of by boxing trainers, fighters, sports journalists, historians and plenty of other in this thread alone. Who are yours backed by and what are your sources? So if you want more answers from me, than you will answer my questions. If not, you can move on to a new thread to troll.

See what you said your opinions which means nothing I talk from visual your crazy opinions and outdated quotes means nothing like I told you before visual evidence shows your wrong and those outdated quotes you think that matters to people like me

I have told you visual evidence I told you days ago my I showed my brother who had never seen ike but he have seen lots of others from 70s-90s like ali Frazier george fury mike Anthony canelo and many others all of these guys are way more advanced and skilled then the whole joe era on video

He seen ike and seen how he moved I showed him some highlights from 1 match and I said they say he would lose to joe he laughed and said stop it

My brother has seen mutiple matches of joe he isnt like me he says joe was the best skilled in that era and he made those people look bad and how great joe was cause he had the title so long but then he said the other era's was just to big and more advanced for him people learned from Joe's era and added to it these are his exact words

So no These outdated opinions means nothing show a person who can see or who isn't crazy and think just cause joe was the most skilled that it means forever like we dont have and have been had evidence for years showing how that's not true

It's even a vid on youtube called joe louis perfect by fight flim where he breaksdown the flaws and outdatedness of jim where he is showing and pausing the vid at parts showing that its true

But you a crazy person says how I'm wrong is he wrong was my brother wrong was cable wrong am I wrong no its visual truth your crazy the man was outdated and stiff and slow compared like i always said and always will say


And yea my insults bother you people or you wouldnt have said why do I feel the need to insult people or can I not insult people and have real debates or I am told to be banned for insulting you crazy idiots for telling the truth if it was just the net why am I banned for if the words dont hurt you idiots

And if You go off quotes that means you quotes can't be right cause they also say how ali was the most skilled its articles on that

They say fury was the most skilled since ali at hw

They say deontay is the hardest hw hitter

All of these are quotes how can they all he right if yours are right its others I left out

No way all of these quotes are true so explain how yours are true

Since visual evidence doesn't matter

[JAB5239]

See what you said your opinions which means nothing I talk from visual your crazy opinions and outdated quotes means nothing like I told you before visual evidence shows your wrong and those outdated quotes you think that matters to people like me

I have told you visual evidence I told you days ago my I showed my brother who had never seen ike but he have seen lots of others from 70s-90s like ali Frazier george fury mike Anthony canelo and many others all of these guys are way more advanced and skilled then the whole joe era on video

He seen ike and seen how he moved I showed him some highlights from 1 match and I said they say he would lose to joe he laughed and said stop it

My brother has seen mutiple matches of joe he isnt like me he says joe was the best skilled in that era and he made those people look bad and how great joe was cause he had the title so long but then he said the other era's was just to big and more advanced for him people learned from Joe's era and added to it these are his exact words

So no These outdated opinions means nothing show a person who can see or who isn't crazy and think just cause joe was the most skilled that it means forever like we dont have and have been had evidence for years showing how that's not true

It's even a vid on youtube called joe louis perfect by fight flim where he breaksdown the flaws and outdatedness of jim where he is showing and pausing the vid at parts showing that its true

But you a crazy person says how I'm wrong is he wrong was my brother wrong was cable wrong am I wrong no its visual truth your crazy the man was outdated and stiff and slow compared like i always said and always will say


And yea my insults bother you people or you wouldnt have said why do I feel the need to insult people or can I not insult people and have real debates or I am told to be banned for insulting you crazy idiots for telling the truth if it was just the net why am I banned for if the words dont hurt you idiots

And if You go off quotes that means you quotes can't be right cause they also say how ali was the most skilled its articles on that

They say fury was the most skilled since ali at hw

They say deontay is the hardest hw hitter

All of these are quotes how can they all he right if yours are right its others I left out

No way all of these quotes are true so explain how yours are true

Since visual evidence doesn't matter

You haven't explained the advancements of anything. The video evidence is clear. It's also been broken down for you in article and the video I posted. Trainers, historian, fighter today, sports writer and so on agree on this, yet you're opinion trumps theirs? Please!!! Answer the questions. Since I don't "get it" break it down for me. That's what I've been waiting for. Explain to me how the film of fighter today make them better than Louis. You can't prove Louis would lose or win, so educate me on how fighters move better, have better defense, angles.......teach me!!!!!

Explain how the quotes are wrong.

Lol, I never complained about you insulting me. Have at it. At the end of the day it's all you're going to have. That is a fact.

[Ascended]

You haven't explained the advancements of anything. The video evidence is clear. It's also been broken down for you in article and the video I posted. Trainers, historian, fighter today, sports writer and so on agree on this, yet you're opinion trumps theirs? Please!!! Answer the questions. Since I don't "get it" break it down for me. That's what I've been waiting for. Explain to me how the film of fighter today make them better than Louis. You can't prove Louis would lose or win, so educate me on how fighters move better, have better defense, angles.......teach me!!!!!

Explain how the quotes are wrong.

Lol, I never complained about you insulting me. Have at it. At the end of the day it's all you're going to have. That is a fact.

The quotes are wrong cause your going off of them saying joe was the best ever yet its people in 70s-90s who wasnt stiff or slow and had more advances while moving like Chris who I named and marion both were way more advanced then joe they dont get credit cause the era they were in they had to really fight technical people

Joe never had to fight technical people the only ones were was bill and jers and they aren't close to being as technical as Chris ike or marion its easy to see you can watch both back to back secs or mins and see the advances in the eras are you telling me you cant see that your vision is that bad

[JAB5239]

The quotes are wrong cause your going off of them saying joe was the best ever yet its people in 70s-90s who wasnt stiff or slow and had more advances while moving like Chris who I named and marion both were way more advanced then joe they dont get credit cause the era they were in they had to really fight technical people

Joe never had to fight technical people the only ones were was bill and jers and they aren't close to being as technical as Chris ike or marion its easy to see you can watch both back to back secs or mins and see the advances in the eras are you telling me you cant see that your vision is that bad

Wrong. The quotes don't just say he's the best ever. They say he had the best overall technique even compared to fighter today. This is from guys like Emmanuel Steward, Teddy Atlas etc. Guys involved in boxing the past 25 years. I can see this on film. It's broken down by historians for you in the video I posted. Guys who have watch boxing and or been involved from decades. You saying g Guys weren't technical than but are today holds no merit because you refuse to explain why. The video talk about those comparisons if you bothered to watch it. Why can't I find a video from the past 25 years comparing these so called advancements? Becuse the only advances are in sports science, not technique, not heart and not ability. Bigger doesn't mean better. A guy as great as Louis could fight in any era.

Now answer my qustions please. What advances in movement and technique? What fighters in the past 25 years show this great technique you speak of? Certainly not Byrd, and especially not Marion. You're just throwing name out there without backing it up. Tell me how they are better?

[Ascended]

Wrong. The quotes don't just say he's the best ever. They say he had the best overall technique even compared to fighter today. This is from guys like Emmanuel Steward, Teddy Atlas etc. Guys involved in boxing the past 25 years. I can see this on film. It's broken down by historians for you in the video I posted. Guys who have watch boxing and or been involved from decades. You saying g Guys weren't technical than but are today holds no merit because you refuse to explain why. The video talk about those comparisons if you bothered to watch it. Why can't I find a video from the past 25 years comparing these so called advancements? Becuse the only advances are in sports science, not technique, not heart and not ability. Bigger doesn't mean better. A guy as great as Louis could fight in any era.

Now answer my qustions please. What advances in movement and technique? What fighters in the past 25 years show this great technique you speak of? Certainly not Byrd, and especially not Marion. You're just throwing name out there without backing it up. Tell me how they are better?

is it anybody that you can watch with cause this is the problem were having me and you your vision is obviously real bad you need somebody to watch with you or that you can show to like i showed my brother

cause you cant tell me any reason my brother would just laugh and say stop it at what i showed him when i showed him and him saying they say ike would lose to joe my brother doesnt have bad vision

cable wasnt lying either he said exactly what he seen on video he didnt say it in a bad way like i say stuff he said it in a nice way from his observation of other eras

what you arent doing is saying what you see from other eras now i would argee to you if we didnt have other eras to compare to you would be right
the same as basketball or baseball on vid can show the advances in other eras can you not see the change in other eras in those sports to or is it just boxing your just blind to

you either cant see good which it seems like or you can see and are trolling me which one is it or is it a combo

[JAB5239]

is it anybody that you can watch with cause this is the problem were having me and you your vision is obviously real bad you need somebody to watch with you or that you can show to like i showed my brother

cause you cant tell me any reason my brother would just laugh and say stop it at what i showed him when i showed him and him saying they say ike would lose to joe my brother doesnt have bad vision

cable wasnt lying either he said exactly what he seen on video he didnt say it in a bad way like i say stuff he said it in a nice way from his observation of other eras

what you arent doing is saying what you see from other eras now i would argee to you if we didnt have other eras to compare to you would be right
the same as basketball or baseball on vid can show the advances in other eras can you not see the change in other eras in those sports to or is it just boxing your just blind to

you either cant see good which it seems like or you can see and are trolling me which one is it or is it a combo

I can see fine, but I am definitely telling you. I've known from the beginning you couldn't break anything down for me or answer my questions. You go ahead and believe what you'd like. I'll stick with what I know through personal experience and boxing trainers and others in the business who have broken down the film of Louis 's era and today's fighters. Fact I's today's fighters are fat and out of shape and or ne er learned how to really fight. I bet I can find plenty of links backing that opinion up as well.

[Ascended]

I can see fine, but I am definitely telling you. I've known from the beginning you couldn't break anything down for me or answer my questions. You go ahead and believe what you'd like. I'll stick with what I know through personal experience and boxing trainers and others in the business who have broken down the film of Louis 's era and today's fighters. Fact I's today's fighters are fat and out of shape and or ne er learned how to really fight. I bet I can find plenty of links backing that opinion up as well.

You know opinions which are words and you cant see good or else you wouldn't be saying bull you keep saying what words say you wont say what visual shows

Your repeating outdated quotes as if vid doesnt prove you wrong

If you were right why is it chris moved better then the whole joe era

If quotes were right why did my brother laugh yet seeing joe matches multiple times

If you were right why did cable say what he said from a none insulting way like I do cause he seen other eras and seen how they moved and compared just like I do

What your doing is this and you tell me if it's wrong they used to say how santa was real you were a kid you knew no better but cause you were told you had no evidence but believed it

is that not what your doing believing in quotes the difference is we have evidence of those quotes not being true

your so crazy you really think what I told you Chris and ike doesn't exist

[JAB5239]

You know opinions which are words and you cant see good or else you wouldn't be saying bull you keep saying what words say you wont say what visual shows

Your repeating outdated quotes as if vid doesnt prove you wrong

If you were right why is it chris moved better then the whole joe era

If quotes were right why did my brother laugh yet seeing joe matches multiple times

If you were right why did cable say what he said from a none insulting way like I do cause he seen other eras and seen how they moved and compared just like I do

What your doing is this and you tell me if it's wrong they used to say how santa was real you were a kid you knew no better but cause you were told you had no evidence but believed it

is that not what your doing believing in quotes the difference is we have evidence of those quotes not being true

your so crazy you really think what I told you Chris and ike doesn't exist

Are you saying Byrd moved better than Walcott, Charles and Conn? Lmao.....get out of here!!

You keep talking about your brother, no one cares what your brother thinks.

I believe in the video combined with expert opinion, not that kif a biased no nothing on a boxing forum.

Who is cable? Is he a boxing trainer, historian or fighter? More likely an alt since he only spent a week on the forum with 7 posts.