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Just repeating to connect the dots. roys best at 160 was against a very raw form of the one we know as Hopkins from the late 90's. roys best at 160 does not take haglers best at 160. whoever said that Hopkins might have been in his prime in 93 clearly has not seen Hopkins progression thru the mid 90's. if u haven't, please check with someone who has or find thefights n see for yourself.
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Roy vs Eubank or McClellen were never realistic fights
Roy vs Benn, Liles and Collins had a less than 2 year window to happen, none followed Roy up to 175 so lets not act like they were super eager for the fight
Roy vs Nunn was only realistic when Nunn was past him prime.
Roy vs Dasriusz certainly could/should of happened but neither guy was going to travel.
Also since people bash Roy for not fighting the guys above. You need to give proper credit to:
Thulani Malinga - beat Been and fought Eubank close
Reggie Johnson - beat Collins
Julio Cesar Gonzalez - beat DariuszComment
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Collins very actively sought out a Jones fight. Nunn was the mandatory contender and Roy just plain ducked him because he didn't want to give Nunn his fair share of the purse.Originally posted by SCtrojansbaby View PostComment
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Collins stayed at 168 so he obviously didn't seek out the fight too much.Originally posted by Scott9945 View Post
lol Roy ended up taking a MUCH tougher fight vs Virgil Hill. Nunn was past his prime and not a serious contender.Last edited by SCtrojansbaby; 08-12-2013, 10:32 AM.Comment
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Nunn was the mandatory #1 contender. He was no more past his prime than the 34 y/o Hill (coming off a loss) was. You seem to have a blind spot when it comes to Roy Jones Jr.Originally posted by SCtrojansbaby View PostComment
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Hill was the legitimate LHW champion when he lost to a great fighter Dariusz and proved he was still greatby going up to CW and winning in spectacular fashion. Nunn on the other hand had spent 3 years fighting nobodies after losing to Franki Liles and Steve Little. There is no comparison Hill was a much tougher fight than Nunn at that pointOriginally posted by Scott9945 View PostComment
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Nunn had faster hands and had more power than Hill. Virgil was more accomplished, but not nearly as talented. Nobody thought Hill had a chance against Jones. And I guess Dariusz is a great fighter to Jones fans, except when someone claims Roy ducked him (too).Originally posted by SCtrojansbaby View PostComment
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Fact of the matter is roy was the money man of the division,,, HBO darling,,, He could make any fight he wanted to.....
You can make all the excuses you want but in reality
roy could have fought
benn
eubanks
nunn
liles
G-man
Michlewski
collins
and instead he fought
vinny paz
old hill
frazier
brannon
byrd
just check out the pre-fight press conference for the brannon fight and the reporters are grilling him as to why he would fight brannon instead of liles..... Its actually very funny to see roy try and convince people that brannon was a legit threat...
ANd also roy is the money man,,, those guys get any fight they want,,, They are career high paydays for ever guy they fight,,, Oscar, floyd, manny, tyson, SRL, ali all never had problems with fighting top guys,,, Yet roy was in a stacked era, yet went a decade between challenges,, toney in nov 94 and ruiz 03....... between those two fights,, roy's opponent selection was garbage,,,,
I dont blame him for the michlewski fight not happening, because i feel michlewski was never going to come to the US, even if it was for his biggest payday...
But for Jones to go a decade without top level names especially from 94-97 is totally jones' fault.....Comment
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You conveniently left leave out Reggie Johnson, Eric Harding, Lou Devalle, David Telesco, Antonio Tarver, Clinton Woods, Richard Hall, and Montell Griffin. Those were all top fighters and or champions in the division. If you're going to cherry pick who he didn't fight, you should also acknowledge the top fighters he did fight. He also fought Eric Lucas and Merqui Sosa. Those were challenges.To say none of those fighters were challenges at the time is false.Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali View Post
At one time the HBO crew was questioning why Jones wouldn't fight Jones was ducking Reggie Johnson and David Telesco. But of course after Jones easily beat both of them they were no longer considered challenges.Last edited by joseph5620; 08-12-2013, 01:12 PM.Comment
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a. we are talking about mw and some smw,,, jones bumped up to light heavy as nunn became his #1 and collins, and liles were both champs and trying to get roy to unify 168,, plus the benn and eubanks fights that should have happened in 95,96Originally posted by joseph5620 View Post
Out of all the guys you listed,, they are all pretty much pedestrian competition,,, Tarver was legit and he beat roy up,,,
Lucas, sosa, telesco, hall, were all pathetic choices when other bigger fights were available to roy.....
Harding has one good win over young tarver,,
griffin got lucky vs toney twice
Reggie johnson was a good fight but at the end of his career
Clinton woods was a very good victory but that was in 2002
All you have to do is ask how many ppv's did roy headline in his prime,,
2--- he had the toney fight, then ruiz,,,
Between that he fought good fighters, but nothing special,,, thats why none of his fights were on ppv,,,,
He just stayed on regular hbo and beat up b level fighter or worse,,,,
All the guys you named wouldnt have been as big as the fights that i said roy didnt take...Comment
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