Tonight, Juan Manuel Marquez solidified his ATG status.

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  • IronDanHamza
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    #61
    Originally posted by Barnburner
    I have it 1-1-1

    First fight - 114-113 Pacquaio
    Second fight - 114 -114 Even.
    Third fight - 112 - 116 Marquez.
    I personally have it 2-0-1 Marquez.

    The first fight I scored a draw.

    Second, I had Marquez winning by a point or 2.

    Third, 117-112 Marquez.

    The first two I wasn't mad with the result because I felt those fights coul d have gone either way. Unlike the 3rd fight.

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    • bojangles1987
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      #62
      Originally posted by IronDanHamza
      My current personal P4P list;

      1. Mayweather
      2. Marquez
      3. Pacquaio
      4. Donaire
      5. Martinez

      Although there's an argument that Marquez could be #1 considering his win last night is better than Mayweather has done in recent years. Ever, infact.

      Then again, Mayweather did shut out Marquez. So that would be my personal list.
      Leaving my opinion of this fight out of it, I've always had Marquez right there with Mayweather and Pacquiao on the p4p list. Everyone kind of dumped him down the list after the Mayweather fight, which I never understood, and threw everyone from Shane Mosley to Paul Williams to Sergio Martinez to Nonito Donaire to Bernard Hopkins ahead of him. There's never been any doubt in my mind that Marquez should have never lost his spot somewhere in the p4p top 3.

      He absolutely did prove he is an ATG though. I'd still put Morales clearly above him, but he surpassed Barrera.

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      • Vadrigar.
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        #63
        I think Pacquiao won the fight on Saturday. Marquez didn't break the barrier of defeat. I would really like to think that Marquez won but I can't say it with any confidence.

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          #64
          Originally posted by Capaedia
          Has anyone shifted Floyd to #1 P4P as a result of last night?

          Just curious
          I personally had him at number 1 before the fight. This fight didn't have any effect one way or the other on my opinion.

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          • The Surgeon
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            #65
            Originally posted by joseph5620
            I personally had him at number 1 before the fight. This fight didn't have any effect one way or the other on my opinion.
            Agreed joseph

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            • BigStereotype
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              #66
              Round 1: 10-10. More looking than throwing in this round. Neither one did much. Nice little exchange at the end. Marquez controlled the pace

              Round 2: 10-9 Marquez. Beautiful tactical round from a true Master Boxer. Good solid combinations, controlled the pace well.

              Round 3: 10-9, Marquez. Marquez doesn't have his offense working so well YET, but Pacquiao can't land anything.

              Round 4: 10-9 Marquez. Close round until the last ten seconds when Marquez found the range on a BIG right hand.

              Round 5: 10-9 Marquez. Pac seriously has no idea how to attack. Marquez landed several very very hard shots in that round.

              Round 6: 10-9 Pacquiao. Pac came alive this round. Marquez stood in front of him too much. Landed good shots, but Pac landed better.

              Round 7: 10-9 Marquez. Marquez outlanded him at every turn in this round, highlighted by one massive right hand early on. Pac looks confused

              Round 8: 10-9 Marquez. I'm repeating myself but this is tactical smothering by Marquez. He's just the superior technician.

              Round 9: 10-9 Marquez. Pacquiao landed some but was soooooo open to the counter shots. Marquez landed some excellent counters w both hands

              Round 10: 10-9 Pacquiao. Pac landed some serious stuff in that round, no joke. Marquez landed to. Hard round to score, but Pac won exchanges

              Round 11: 10-9 Marquez. Pac started off strong, got over confident and got ripped the rest of the round. I was ready to give this one to Pac and then Marquez reminded everyone who the better fighter is. What a performance.

              Round 12: 10-10. Looked like the first round. A lot of looking not many punches. Pac needed the knockout and he couldn't summon up the aggression.

              118-112 for Marquez. Weird score with two even rounds but wow, this was a shameful robbery. What an awful decision.

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              • IronDanHamza
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                #67
                Originally posted by BigStereotype
                Round 1: 10-10. More looking than throwing in this round. Neither one did much. Nice little exchange at the end. Marquez controlled the pace

                Round 2: 10-9 Marquez. Beautiful tactical round from a true Master Boxer. Good solid combinations, controlled the pace well.

                Round 3: 10-9, Marquez. Marquez doesn't have his offense working so well YET, but Pacquiao can't land anything.

                Round 4: 10-9 Marquez. Close round until the last ten seconds when Marquez found the range on a BIG right hand.

                Round 5: 10-9 Marquez. Pac seriously has no idea how to attack. Marquez landed several very very hard shots in that round.

                Round 6: 10-9 Pacquiao. Pac came alive this round. Marquez stood in front of him too much. Landed good shots, but Pac landed better.

                Round 7: 10-9 Marquez. Marquez outlanded him at every turn in this round, highlighted by one massive right hand early on. Pac looks confused

                Round 8: 10-9 Marquez. I'm repeating myself but this is tactical smothering by Marquez. He's just the superior technician.

                Round 9: 10-9 Marquez. Pacquiao landed some but was soooooo open to the counter shots. Marquez landed some excellent counters w both hands

                Round 10: 10-9 Pacquiao. Pac landed some serious stuff in that round, no joke. Marquez landed to. Hard round to score, but Pac won exchanges

                Round 11: 10-9 Marquez. Pac started off strong, got over confident and got ripped the rest of the round. I was ready to give this one to Pac and then Marquez reminded everyone who the better fighter is. What a performance.

                Round 12: 10-10. Looked like the first round. A lot of looking not many punches. Pac needed the knockout and he couldn't summon up the aggression.

                118-112 for Marquez. Weird score with two even rounds but wow, this was a shameful robbery. What an awful decision.
                Other than Round 3 which I felt was Pacquaio's most clear round, I had a similar card.

                1. Pacquaio
                2. Marquez
                3. Pacquaio
                4. Marquez
                5. Marquez
                6. Pacquaio
                7. Marquez
                8. Marquez
                9. Marquez
                10. Marquez
                11. Marquez
                12. Even.

                117-112. Marquez.

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                • crold1
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                  #68
                  Originally posted by IronDanHamza
                  Other than Round 3 which I felt was Pacquaio's most clear round, I had a similar card.

                  1. Pacquaio
                  2. Marquez
                  3. Pacquaio
                  4. Marquez
                  5. Marquez
                  6. Pacquaio
                  7. Marquez
                  8. Marquez
                  9. Marquez
                  10. Marquez
                  11. Marquez
                  12. Even.

                  117-112. Marquez.
                  Interesting...I had the same score as you (with 3 and 4 flipped) going into nine and then had Pac sweeping. I don't get how the final round was even. Pac won that round fairly clearly.

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                  • IronDanHamza
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                    #69
                    Originally posted by crold1
                    Interesting...I had the same score as you (with 3 and 4 flipped) going into nine and then had Pac sweeping. I don't get how the final round was even. Pac won that round fairly clearly.
                    Round 12 could have gone either way from what I saw.

                    Glen Trowbridge actually scored Round 12 to Marquez strangely enough. With Hoyle and Moretti scoring it for Pac.

                    Not mad at any of those decisions, like I said, could have gone either way.

                    On the other hand, I can't see how you could possibly have Pacquaio sweeping rounds 9-12. That literally makes no sense to me.

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                    • crold1
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                      #70
                      Originally posted by IronDanHamza
                      Round 12 could have gone either way from what I saw.

                      Glen Trowbridge actually scored Round 12 to Marquez strangely enough. With Hoyle and Moretti scoring it for Pac.

                      Not mad at any of those decisions, like I said, could have gone either way.

                      On the other hand, I can't see how you could possibly have Pacquaio sweeping rounds 9-12. That literally makes no sense to me.
                      Trowbridge's score is absurd. He had Pac up five going into 12. THAT I don't get.

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