Tonight, Juan Manuel Marquez solidified his ATG status.

[IronDanHamza]

Nice post. I'm curious to see whether Mayweather will get more credit for dominating Marquez as the years go by. All I read after that fight was that Marquez was "old", "fat",and "slow." Well last might he was three years older at that same weight. And he has not gotten any faster.

Absolutely. He absolutely does.

Most of us, including myself felt the jump in weight was the reason for his poor performance. Turns out we were all wrong, and Marqeuz proved it.

I was way off for this fight. Marquez had a lot more left than I thought nad he dereves major props and respect. I also think Marquez style had everything to do with Pacquiao looking bad. I don't buy the slipping" or leg cramps excuse for his performance. Pacquiao had not fought a sharp counter puncher since his last fight with Marquez. And it showed last night.

Same here, my friend. I was way off, I said things such as I wouldn't be suprised if it ended in Round 1! I can't believe I said that!

This kind of win for Marquez elevates him to sheer greatness. Up there with his fellow Countrymen of his era Morales and Barrera. Where he's always felt he belongs.

And now, no one can deny it. He went out there and put on the performance of his career and beat a Top 50 ATG, #1 P4P, two weights higher.

[crold1]

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=520879

Just sayin'.

And? Some had it wide; some close; some post no score but say how awesome Marquez's performance was (meaning they could well have scored against but be like, 'wow' sort of like I am). I'm not digging in on scores for JMM. I had him ahead the first two times. The press is split all sorts of ways. This was one of those fights.

[PunchesNbuncheS]

I already had him as an ATG and I had him above Morales and Barrera by a bit but I agree with you that he CLEARLY beat Pacquiao last night!

Marquez was already an ATG in my book but now he is one of the immortals of the sport. Manny knows he lost, Roach knows he lost, even Ariza who is usually very talkative after their wins hasnt said a damn thing!

Pacquiao has more power, more speed, more titles but Marquez is a better boxer and could always beat him and thats what will be remembered in boxing history!

[crold1]

I already had him as an ATG and I had him above Morales and Barrera by a bit but I agree with you that he CLEARLY beat Pacquiao last night!

Marquez was already an ATG in my book but now he is one of the immortals of the sport. Manny knows he lost, Roach knows he lost, even Ariza who is usually very talkative after their wins hasnt said a damn thing!

Pacquiao has more power, more speed, more titles but Marquez is a better boxer and could always beat him and thats what will be remembered in boxing history!

He's had three tries and he still hasn't beat him. I get the romance of Marquez and if anyone thinks he won last night, that's cool. He's HOF bad ass. Close fight. In fights this close, I stick with the official verdict even if I narrowly scored the series 2-1 in favor of JMM. Official says 2-0-1 for the little fella. Something about JMM doesn't do enough to sway the judges against Pac. The same wasn't true for, say, Morales, and Pac isn't getting Pierre Benoist scores. In three fights, he's done what he does very well but he hasn't done enough to win. Last night, I didn't think he won at all.

[IronDanHamza]

He's had three tries and he still hasn't beat him. I get the romance of Marquez and if anyone thinks he won last night, that's cool. He's HOF bad ass. Close fight. In fights this close, I stick with the official verdict even if I narrowly scored the series 2-1 in favor of JMM. Official says 2-0-1 for the little fella. Something about JMM doesn't do enough to sway the judges against Pac. The same wasn't true for, say, Morales, and Pac isn't getting Pierre Benoist scores. In three fights, he's done what he does very well but he hasn't done enough to win. Last night, I didn't think he won at all.

The first Morales fight was about as the clear as the 3rd Marquez fight.

Then again, Larry Merchant had Morales-Pacquaio 1 a draw which is about as baffling as having Pacquaio beating Marquez last night so I guess not much has changed there.

[crold1]

The first Morales fight was about as the clear as the 3rd Marquez fight.

Then again, Larry Merchant had Morales-Pacquaio 1 a draw which is about as baffling as having Pacquaio beating Marquez last night so I guess not much has changed there.

Morales I was much more clear IMO but, hey, I scored that for Morales. And you evidently didn't have Marquez winning the first two with Pac which I would have argued against.

There's nothing baffling here. This is called the aftermath of a close fight. You're just firmly on one side of the scoring bell curve. No big.

[IronDanHamza]

Morales I was much more clear IMO but, hey, I scored that for Morales. And you evidently didn't have Marquez winning the first two with Pac which I would have argued against.

There's nothing baffling here. This is called the aftermath of a close fight. You're just firmly on one side of the scoring bell curve. No big.

I had the first Pacquaio-Marquez fight a draw that either had an argument to win and I had the second fight to Marquez by a few points but felt it was a close fight that could have gone either way so wasn't mad with either result.

Last night, however, was not close.

[Capaedia]

Has anyone shifted Floyd to #1 P4P as a result of last night?

Just curious

[BigStereotype]

I had the first Pacquaio-Marquez fight a draw that either had an argument to win and I had the second fight to Marquez by a few points but felt it was a close fight that could have gone either way so wasn't mad with either result.

Last night, however, was not close.

Don't budge an inch man, you're right on point. Marquez won that fight. Period.

[crold1]

Don't budge an inch man, you're right on point. Marquez won that fight. Period.

Except he didn't. Period. He'd have a hell of a lot more complaint if he'd closed the show. He lost the last two rounds on 2 of 3 judges cards (and on mine). Marquez winky'd the biggest moment of his life in a fight I had dead even after ten. He can live with that; inexplicable that he decelerated knowing how close it had been twice before.

Pac. 115. 113.