Tonight, Juan Manuel Marquez solidified his ATG status.

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After seeing Marquez at the weigh in, I'm not so sure he'd have wanted enhanced drug testing.

Marquez had no problem whatsoever taking any type of drug tests.

[Scott9945]

Marquez had no problem whatsoever taking any type of drug tests.

He didn't when he fought Floyd. Sure didn't sure look the same as he did this time though. I don't really care, but I can't pretend that I didn't notice.

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Yeah Marquez solidified himself as a great tonight, everyone, everyone wrote him off and he put on a performance I'll never forget.

The look on his face when that first decision was announced, looked like a part of him died, he put on the performance of his life and this is what he gets ?, the man is a legend and he had his spirit stomped into the dirt by the judges.
The support he'll get from everyone now will be phenomenal I'm sure but he'll never get that official mark he worked so hard for.

Wonder what's next for him.

Not really i kept telling irondanza marquez was a terrible match up. He kept telling me he was too fat old and slow. Pacs too big. Same God damn excuse for the 2nd fight. Marquez is the ****ing man he would shatter khans chin at 140 as Khan gets too aggressive and marquez would exploit him. Embarass morales and maidana. Only person he cant beat is floyd whos just the worse possible style since he has to Chase him.

Marquez is the man and like with hopkins its a true honor to see a true legend ending out the last lil bit of life he has in his career on top. Truely disgusting judging. I want them a fourth time. Marquez is his daddy and roach, Khan and arum all know it. They just sanmartiniano cash out on manny for one last fourth fight so he can lose to the legend instead of the embarrassment of losing in another fight.

[IronDanHamza]

Not really i kept telling irondanza marquez was a terrible match up. He kept telling me he was too fat old and slow. Pacs too big. Same God damn excuse for the 2nd fight. Marquez is the ****ing man he would shatter khans chin at 140 as Khan gets too aggressive and marquez would exploit him. Embarass morales and maidana. Only person he cant beat is floyd whos just the worse possible style since he has to Chase him.

Marquez is the man and like with hopkins its a true honor to see a true legend ending out the last lil bit of life he has in his career on top. Truely disgusting judging. I want them a fourth time. Marquez is his daddy and roach, Khan and arum all know it. They just sanmartiniano cash out on manny for one last fourth fight so he can lose to the legend instead of the embarrassment of losing in another fight.

You checked the 'History Today' thread? I gave you major props in there.

As for the 4th fight. Do you really want to see Marquez get robbed again? I don't think I'll be able to watch it again knowing he can't win without the knock out.

[IronDanHamza]

Anybody who has Marquez winning the 12th their scorecard has no credibility.

One of the judges scored the 12th for Marquez.

Then again his card was worryingly bad.

[IronDanHamza]

lol wtf.....terrible cards

Relatively close rounds despite Marquez landing the cleaner harder punches in pretty all those rounds.

[The Surgeon]

I scored it like this

1. 10-9 PAC
2. 10-9 JMM
3. 10-9 JMM
4. 10-9 JMM
5. 10-9 JMM
6. 10-9 PAC
7. 10-9 JMM
8. 10-9 JMM
9. 10-9 JMM
10. 10-9 JMM
11. 10-9 JMM
12. 10-9 PAC

117-111 JMM

There were a good few close rounds but 3 of those were also 1,6 & 12. Round 1 in particular

Juan was just better, he was far more comfortable with the fight and it was fought at a Marquez pace. I liked his classier shots and defence over Manny's volume and footwork

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[QUOTE=IronDanHamza;11427811]You checked the 'History Today' thread? I gave you major props in there.

As for the 4th fight. Do you really want to see Marquez get robbed again? I don't think I'll be able to watch it again knowing he can't win without the knock out.





True and i really dont know If marquez has the energy for it after outting his heart in soul into this fight and be denied By the judges even tho he stayed on his feet this time.

[Steak]

Just finished rewatching it, in very good quality. I actually changed my scoring to 115 to 113 for Pacquiao. Dont have an issue with a Marquez win, since there were plenty of close rounds with not much to choose from.

I think people mostly think that Marquez won because he landed a few more memorable shots that stick out in their minds, and had a few rounds that were very obvious...for example, the 5th round for Marquez was more one sided than any round Pacquiao won.

but on a round by round basis, Pacquiao landed a fair share of rounds. Pay attention to what actually lands, there are numerous quick darting left hands that Pacquiao lands cleanly, and even his right jabs sneak in a few times(although they dont do that much damage most the time, so I dont score many points for them).

notice also that a few of Marquez's counter punches and combos dont always land. for example, in the 6th round he throws a coutner right hand that appears to land cleanly, but in super slow motion it shows it only grazes and Pacquiao lands a clean right hook not long after.

My scorecard:

1-Pacquiao
2-Marquez
3-Pacquiao
4-Pacquiao
5-Marquez
6-Pacquiao
7-Marquez
8-Marquez
9-Marquez
10-Pacquiao
11-Pacquiao
12-Pacquiao

I thoguht Marquez looked substantially better in the first two fights, although he did exceed my expectations in this last one. Thought Marquez won the second, and the first I literally change my mind every time I watch it. some of those late rounds are so close.

[Toyman]

Just finished rewatching it, in very good quality. I actually changed my scoring to 115 to 113 for Pacquiao. Dont have an issue with a Marquez win, since there were plenty of close rounds with not much to choose from.

I think people mostly think that Marquez won because he landed a few more memorable shots that stick out in their minds, and had a few rounds that were very obvious...for example, the 5th round for Marquez was more one sided than any round Pacquiao won.

but on a round by round basis, Pacquiao landed a fair share of rounds. Pay attention to what actually lands, there are numerous quick darting left hands that Pacquiao lands cleanly, and even his right jabs sneak in a few times(although they dont do that much damage most the time, so I dont score many points for them).

notice also that a few of Marquez's counter punches and combos dont always land. for example, in the 6th round he throws a coutner right hand that appears to land cleanly, but in super slow motion it shows it only grazes and Pacquiao lands a clean right hook not long after.

My scorecard:

1-Pacquiao
2-Marquez
3-Pacquiao
4-Pacquiao
5-Marquez
6-Pacquiao
7-Marquez
8-Marquez
9-Marquez
10-Pacquiao
11-Pacquiao
12-Pacquiao

I thoguht Marquez looked substantially better in the first two fights, although he did exceed my expectations in this last one. Thought Marquez won the second, and the first I literally change my mind every time I watch it. some of those late rounds are so close.

as i said, rewatching the fight and using slow motion will let you appreciate what pacquiao did in this fight.

i have exactly the same scorecared as you, but i gave 9 to pac - i had it even until pacquiao landed that massive left hand right at the end which sealed the deal.

also, round 2 in slow mo, shows jmm landing TWO (2)! punches the entire round, so very possible this was a 117-111 win for pacquiao.


the idea that pacquiao landed nothing cleanly is ridiculous, because jmms swollen and busted up face tells a very different story compared to pacquiaos unscratched [minus the headbutt] face.