Tonight, Juan Manuel Marquez solidified his ATG status.

[IronDanHamza]

Has anyone shifted Floyd to #1 P4P as a result of last night?

Just curious

My current personal P4P list;

1. Mayweather
2. Marquez
3. Pacquaio
4. Donaire
5. Martinez

Although there's an argument that Marquez could be #1 considering his win last night is better than Mayweather has done in recent years. Ever, infact.

Then again, Mayweather did shut out Marquez. So that would be my personal list.

[RubenSonny]

And? Some had it wide; some close; some post no score but say how awesome Marquez's performance was (meaning they could well have scored against but be like, 'wow' sort of like I am). I'm not digging in on scores for JMM. I had him ahead the first two times. The press is split all sorts of ways. This was one of those fights.

It was pro Marquez with nearly all saying Marquez deserved the decision and many calling the fight a robbery.

He's had three tries and he still hasn't beat him. I get the romance of Marquez and if anyone thinks he won last night, that's cool. He's HOF bad ass. Close fight. In fights this close, I stick with the official verdict even if I narrowly scored the series 2-1 in favor of JMM. Official says 2-0-1 for the little fella. Something about JMM doesn't do enough to sway the judges against Pac. The same wasn't true for, say, Morales, and Pac isn't getting Pierre Benoist scores. In three fights, he's done what he does very well but he hasn't done enough to win. Last night, I didn't think he won at all.

Your smart enough to know that the official decision doesn't mean you deserve it in boxing so taking a conservative stance on this just doesn't cut it. It's like saying Kibaki won the elections in 2007.

[crold1]

Your smart enough to know that the official decision doesn't mean you deserve it in boxing so taking a conservative stance on this just doesn't cut it. It's like saying Kibaki won the elections in 2007.

LOL...nice. I agree. Official decisions can suck. Most don't. In a fight this close, a series this close, where I'm within a point or two of most of the judging throughout, I'm going with the eyeballs at ringside. Morales convinced the judges and was doing it again the second time before Pac turned the tide. Marquez never did. I thought Pac won last night. I think this is basically a dead heat as a rivalry.

I think people will still get heated on this for a long time. Awesome stuff and the best of boxing.

[RubenSonny]

LOL...nice. I agree. Official decisions can suck. Most don't. In a fight this close, a series this close, where I'm within a point or two of most of the judging throughout, I'm going with the eyeballs at ringside. Morales convinced the judges and was doing it again the second time before Pac turned the tide. Marquez never did. I thought Pac won last night. I think this is basically a dead heat as a rivalry.

I think people will still get heated on this for a long time. Awesome stuff and the best of boxing.

I think I need to watch it again but I had Marquez winning more comfortably than I've seen him before.

On a side note I swear Marquez' punch resistance is one of the most bizarre things I have ever seen (in terms of consistency).

[IronDanHamza]

I think I need to watch it again but I had Marquez winning more comfortably than I've seen him before.

On a side note I swear Marquez' punch resistance is one of the most bizarre things I have ever seen (in terms of consistency).

That would be because he did win more comfortabley.

I was pretty much the first fight without 3 knockdowns against him.

[LeG00N]

I was okay with the first one being a draw. The second I thought Marquez won by a point or two. I thought this last fight Marquez won more comfortably.

Marquez @ 38 was the Lineal lightweight champ and he went up 2 weight classes to fight The Fighter Of The Decade and #1 P4P in the world.
He beat him. If he would've gotten the nod he would've had a WW title and Lineal LW championship .... at the same time.

I do think he became a solidified ATG last night.

[New England]

if that fight was at 138 the judges would have had a real hard time scoring for pacquiao

i've only seen the fight once at this point
obviously i'll be watching it again when i get the chance and i'll try and keep the sound down and score the thing.


i will say that the marquez rounds were more clear in my eyes, and i felt he won more of them. pacquiao did land some left hands, and he's still got the best punch in boxing in terms of crispness/sharpness and speed. i find myself taking his left hand for granted now, which is a shame. the man is gifted.


pacquiao seriously devolved in this fight. he looked okay to me physically, but he fell into patterns he had developed in the first two fights. muscle memory i guess. and 24 rounds with a great counterpuncher who makes real adjustments.
he was looking for the left hand again, like he had been doing early in his career. he used to bomb guys out with that thing(he dropped marquez four times with it!)
marquez was doing what he had been doing for 23.5 rounds and looking for the left hand and trying to take it away. as with most of the last two fights, he found success technically, while still being a bit outgunned.


i though pacquiao would use his legs more and try his hand at boxing//using the ring. he showed early that his footspeed was enough to get a 38 year old LW at the heaviest of his career off balance.
marquez legs are nowhere near what they used to be, and manny still shas some of the fastest feet in the game. against the big guys he used them with consistency, with Marquez he fought a big man's fight


finally, i'm not going to accuse marquez of anything but;
he looked night and day different from his last go at WW in terms of his body and his movement. night and day. if heredia is clean i think he did a terrific job. (obviously floyd mayweather had a bit to do with that as well. this fight is killing my chances of making good money on the mayweather fight, which i now believe pacquiao has next to zero chance of winning considering floyds level of activity.)


and if you look around you can find video of heredia in a german documentary about performance enhancing drugs in the olympics where he injects HIMSELF with what i believe is "EPO." he puts the needle right in his stomach

the audio in english is too low and i dont speak german, but if i can find it and post it here i will
something to think about.


no need to fight again
what's going to be different? marquez wont stop pacquiao (especially when he weighs 150 lbs)
and there are about 100 Million reasons for him to lose a decision

the finances of boxing are on the minds of the judges. they have to be. i dont care if you're actively going at it with an agenda as a judge. you understand that manny is good for your industry.


the crowds at the manny fights are getting a bit strange for my taste. to them the fights are a consolation for the lack of a mayweather fight. they were either booing eachother (which is fine,) or booing the fighters far too quickly.

pacquiao's likely to have no more than two or three more fights. in boxing the match carries much less water now, but the layman would never forgive boxing for not making pacquiao and mayweather.


finally, marquez es el mas macho
he did better against pacquiao this time around than anybody since erik morales in their first fight. more people seem to be calling it a poor decision this time around than in their first two fights.

lets go through the names, because it's pretty remarkable that he had a better showing than all of these bigger, younger(with some miles, certainly) guys:
barerra
de la hoya
hatton
cotto
clottey
margarito
mosley

[The Surgeon]

Marquez - 3-0 Vs Pacquaio in my book

ATG for sure. Glad to see u guys giving him his props and calling those judges on that piss poor scoring

[Barn]

Marquez - 3-0 Vs Pacquaio in my book

ATG for sure. Glad to see u guys giving him his props and calling those judges on that piss poor scoring

I have it 1-1-1

First fight - 114-113 Pacquaio
Second fight - 114 -114 Even.
Third fight - 112 - 116 Marquez.

[The Surgeon]

I have it 1-1-1

First fight - 114-113 Pacquaio
Second fight - 114 -114 Even.
Third fight - 112 - 116 Marquez.

I personally have found Marquez pulling away a little bit more in each fight than the last. This being the clearest win yet

Fight 2 was the best to watch tho