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Well - how is this fight any different to the last ones?
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I just finished rewatching the fight. Mostly been pretty bored today, and the night of I felt pretty passionate for Juan. IMO in was much closer than I had previously felt. I still very much feel like Juan was robbed. It's been years since i've watched the other two fight so I won't get into comparing. My point is pretty simple. JMM and Pac make a great great match up. I honestly would like to see Juan and Manny 4 more than Mayweather and Pac. Giving all credit as I see it. Though JMM got screwed by judging that shouldn't fault the amount skill we were so blessed to see. I was never a Vitali fan until he fought Lewis. IMO that was his best fight. He really showed who he is which is more important then even a record or a belt. IMO one great, truly amazing, performance is the most valuable accomplishment one can have. People will remember and argue for years, and isn't that bigger then either fighter? Still I feel like I can't end this post with out saying once more Juan Manuel Marquez won that fight.
Separately Andy Bowen and Jack Burke probably wouldn't be remembered for much. If you know me half decently you know I'm well into LPRR and on back. One of the very first fights to really capture me was the Bowen-Burke 110 rounder. Neither fighter was a can for their day, and both had other great battles. Nothing either ever did would over shadow that event. It is more amazing than they. Of course I don't mean JMM-Pac is as legendary, but it is more so then any other match-up i've seen either with.Comment
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I honestly believe that it was this that won Pac the fight. He would bounce around, move sideways in the blink of an eye then back again, forward, back throw a jab or two all while Marquez basically kept making him rethink, reset, stop, think again, not punch and he did it all without all the pointless bouncing and hopping but simple circling to neutralise all of that supposedly greater footwork of Pac.
Pac looked like he was doing stuff yet when you look again he didn't land a punch, he didn't throw a meaningful punch and while he made Marquez look slow and sort of inactive at times, it was Marquez that was controlling the fight, the pace, the style, the ring and landing the more significant punches.
Lederman gave a round to Pac where, to me anyway, it looked like he didn't actually land anything but he bounced around a lot and Steward commented after the round when Harold gave it to Pac that Pac won it without doing anything because it looked like he was doing stuff through his comparatively hyperactive, yet pointless movement.
It's pretty sad though that I can see this clearly and professional judges at ringside can't. However, we all know that they can and do but are made to not notice it.
Amazing fight by Marquez. However, no matter how great it was he will still never have that W and Pac will never have that rightful L. Eventually it will be largely forgotten that Marquez even won it by most and it will go down in history as Pac having 2 of 3 wins with only a small few knowing any different. It's this aspect of it that I dislike more than anything. People will forget that Marquez won and will only see that technicality from the record that shows Pac being greater and the 'winner' of their trilogy.
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Why? If it's another close fight that Marquez wins again, it will still go to Pac. The only way for Marquez to win anything but a completely whitewash is for Pac to lose badly to Mayweather and have all the hype finally ****** out of it and the big money fight to be over so normal decisions can be made.
It really is pointless. Marquez cannot win.Comment
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A lot of people have been saying this and I have to disagree completely. He actually looked slower, more off balance and more bulky. He had a much better game plan and fought his fight because of the style.
Go watch the first couple of rounds against Mayweather and then the same thing against Pac. In the Mayweather fight he looks quicker and more balanced than he did against Pac.Comment
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Anyway, my score was closer than most but I still had Marquez sneaking it. I thought the 2nd fight was a clearer, better win for Marquez. Nonetheless, I still thought he won it clearly, but once again closely.
The whole 'must beat champion' argument doesn't work in this fight. Marquez was the champion in their 2nd fight and he lost, while, to my mind anyway, winning clearly but closely. I don't run with the 'Marquez needs to beat the champion and he slowed down in the championship rounds' so he deserves to lose. He won the championship rounds in their 2nd fight and closed well. He still lost and was champion no more.
I thought Marquez won the 11th, lost the 12th so I split the championship rounds anyway.
However, although they all were close fights and hard to split and everyone can argue for either guy winning only one fighter came out of three fights without a single loss. To me that shows bias that has nothing to do with being the champion.
You don't need to beat the champion today. You need to beat the money. It's much harder to beat the money, as Marquez has found out.Comment
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