Rocky Marciano is very overrated IMO

[them_apples]

Mariciano and Holmes dominated the eras during which they fought, and Fury is in the midst of dominating his own. We could ask no more of them. Marciano could've added any combination of Bob Baker, Nino Valdez, Dan Bucceroni, Heinz Neuhaus, Jimmy Slade, Charlie Norkus, Earl Walls, Harold Johnson, Clarence Henry, Bob Satterfield, Doc Williams, Embrel Davidson, Billy Gilliam, Hein Ten Hoff,
Coley Wallace, Jack Gardner, Bruce Wood****, Kitione Lave, Johnny Williams, Joe Erskine and Franco Cavicchi to his list of title defenses to further bolster his clean sweep of his heavyweight division.
Larry Holmes might have added to his title reign with additional victories over Howard Smith, Johnny Boudreaux, Duane Bobick, John Tate, Kallie Knoetze, Gerrie Coetzee, Michael Dokes, Quick Tillis, Greg Page, Pinklon Thomas, James Broad, John L. Gardner, Tommy Franco Thomas and Jimmy Young. But......Not one of those opponents ever represented a contender who was thought to be better than the ones who DID receive their shot against Marciano or Holmes, in spite of what a few posters would prefer to beleive; and a champion simply can't make room on their schedule for everyone. Even a fight that you win without visible problems takes a toll. Those two beating the other best challengers to stay champion a long time is a phenomenal achievement. Harder than what any critics ever did for a living in civilian life. No challenger left unattended would ever have been a favorite.
As for Fury, remember that there is a pyramid process whereby active fighters have to stay busy and chew each other up in a mad scramble to the top, and most contenders get picked off in this process, with only a few emerging as real threats against the champions. For Fury, there is still work to be done in cementing a legacy that stacks up well against the other greats. That's something a bit beyond simply being the best for a few years while avoiding a loss. Fury is well begun, of course. His trilogy against Wilder will be well remembered, and every win by both Fury and Wilder from here on out will grow that. But in the years since Fury, Wilder and Joshua took over the kingdom, the latter two title claimants have done much of the work in terms of keeping the challengers at bay, and in addition; today we are seeing the next bunch come to the front (Ruiz, Usyk, Joyce, etc.); so if he is to make the most of his talents and his time at the top, Tyson Fury will have a capable and competent contingent of future challengers waiting to allow him to fully make up for his time away from the game, as Ali was able to do. The term "Overrated" is one that I understand but take exception with. You are welcome to Rate these champions where and how you choose; but history, in the form of how others perceive them may not agree.

One thing that makes me reluctant to put fury so high is just a simple eye test, to me he’s not that polished of a boxer. He is compared to what he’s up against. If we look at a guy like even Evander in his prime, you can see he is a high tier athlete. He does everythinge right and he’s a fine tuned killing machine. Only a high level boxer would expose him (just using him as an example). The next after Vander was Lewis. Then, Vitali you could argue, was the last high caliber boxer in the heavyweight division we ever saw. After this, I see heavyweight boxing (level wise) as having never returned. Fury is a throwback, but he’s not on the level of heavyweights of the past if they both were to meet in the ring.

now, we can’t compare them like this as Fury is growing up in a different era with different circumstances. How would he do in a different era? Probably pretty good, I think he would be a lot skinnier (hes skinny fat) and would have even better skills, his personality is also great for boxing, he understand psychology which is a great trait on the high level.

if you took the version of Fury we see today and just plopped him in the middle of the 70s or 90s? He’d get washed for sure, positive. Holy, Bowe, Tyson and Lewis all beat him. There isn’t a single fighter on Furys resume thats anywhere close to that ability if we are talking prime.

for example:

prime Deontay pros:

power, heart (recooperation). And a decen’t chin. He can’t box though, he can’t even jab, he just has a dangerous shot and it comes from long range (he is tall, he just stoops).

no defensive capability (non at all, just turtle and swing). His power acts a bit as a defense against most of the guys he fights.

Rid**** Bowe:

him and Deontay have similar speed, and probaby similar chins its just Deontay doesn’t move his head.

Bowe can, slip punches, make you miss, put combinations together without losing balance. Able to put himself into positions that he can capitalize on.

transition from outside to inside work seamlessly, which if you don’t know how to do, youll be a fish out of water at certain ranges. Nobody Fury fights ever fights inside. Nobody. Lost art because fighters are softer and don’t like the risk. But once you get good it actually alleviates risk

Bowe isn’t even known as a skillful fighter, these are just fundamentals that put him on a higher level than both Deontay and Fury.

[Lomadeaux]

Whoever posted this obviously just doesn't understand the sport. I've heard stories of fighters and coaches being around him in the gym and they said there simply wasn't anybody like him. Boxing forums on the internet are just funny.

[Anthony342]

You hate the fact Holmes will ALWAYS be considered the greater fighter and champion, don't you? I mean it's practically universal.

Yep, he's "butthurt" as the kids like to call it these days.

[JAB5239]

Yep, he's "butthurt" as the kids like to call it these days.

Wlad 19 consecutive defenses, 11 as lineal champion.

Holmes 20 consecutive defenses 12 as lineal if you count from Ali. Personally I recognize him as lineal from the Norton fight on forward as they were the two best heavyweights and Ali had retired. Either way......it's more than Wlad. We know how much it chaps his azz when he gets called out for ****** statements like "Wlad the only fighter in 70 years to make a run a Joe Louis record". Definitely butthurt!!

[Anthony342]

Wlad 19 consecutive defenses, 11 as lineal champion.

Holmes 20 consecutive defenses 12 as lineal if you count from Ali. Personally I recognize him as lineal from the Norton fight on forward as they were the two best heavyweights and Ali had retired. Either way......it's more than Wlad. We know how much it chaps his azz when he gets called out for ****** statements like "Wlad the only fighter in 70 years to make a run a Joe Louis record". Definitely butthurt!!

Ah, also sounds like he has a hard on for Wlad. I mean, I like him and his brother, but you can't argue with facts. Like MJF said in a recent AEW Dynamite promo "facts don't care about your feelings."

[QueensburyRules]

Yep, he's "butthurt" as the kids like to call it these days.

- - Majority of "Kids" I worked with were definitely anaI retentive along with being alcoholic in nature. Very few of them grew out of the shallow media culture they grow up in. You could've been one of them.

[Ropss]

One thing that makes me reluctant to put fury so high is just a simple eye test, to me heâs not that polished of a boxer. He is compared to what heâs up against. If we look at a guy like even Evander in his prime, you can see he is a high tier athlete. He does everythinge right and heâs a fine tuned killing machine. Only a high level boxer would expose him (just using him as an example). The next after Vander was Lewis. Then, Vitali you could argue, was the last high caliber boxer in the heavyweight division we ever saw. After this, I see heavyweight boxing (level wise) as having never returned. Fury is a throwback, but heâs not on the level of heavyweights of the past if they both were to meet in the ring.

now, we canât compare them like this as Fury is growing up in a different era with different circumstances. How would he do in a different era? Probably pretty good, I think he would be a lot skinnier (hes skinny fat) and would have even better skills, his personality is also great for boxing, he understand psychology which is a great trait on the high level.

if you took the version of Fury we see today and just plopped him in the middle of the 70s or 90s? Heâd get washed for sure, positive. Holy, Bowe, Tyson and Lewis all beat him. There isnât a single fighter on Furys resume thats anywhere close to that ability if we are talking prime.

for example:

prime Deontay pros:

power, heart (recooperation). And a decenât chin. He canât box though, he canât even jab, he just has a dangerous shot and it comes from long range (he is tall, he just stoops).

no defensive capability (non at all, just turtle and swing). His power acts a bit as a defense against most of the guys he fights.

Rid**** Bowe:

him and Deontay have similar speed, and probaby similar chins its just Deontay doesnât move his head.

Bowe can, slip punches, make you miss, put combinations together without losing balance. Able to put himself into positions that he can capitalize on.

transition from outside to inside work seamlessly, which if you donât know how to do, youll be a fish out of water at certain ranges. Nobody Fury fights ever fights inside. Nobody. Lost art because fighters are softer and donât like the risk. But once you get good it actually alleviates risk

Bowe isnât even known as a skillful fighter, these are just fundamentals that put him on a higher level than both Deontay and Fury.

NOBODY EVER IN HW HISTORY HAS WON EVERY BELT IN BOXING
ONLY THE GREATEST EVER UNBEATABLE NO.1 ALLTIME FURY
#levels

Undefeated King Fury flattens everyone in history obviously.

[Richard]

Undefeated King Fury flattens everyone in history obviously.

Iam not so sure. I think Muhammad Ali was more naturally talented and a prime Ali would have given Fury a real fight with Ali being the favourite? .

[Willow The Wisp]

Whoever posted this obviously just doesn't understand the sport. I've heard stories of fighters and coaches being around him in the gym and they said there simply wasn't anybody like him. Boxing forums on the internet are just funny.

Very true. Loaded with those willing to second guess people far more knowledgeable than themselves all day. Angelo Dundee (anyone remember him?). He said that Marciano would overcome anybody ever, and used his size as a tool for that purpose. So who knows? My guess? ...Dundee did.

[Richard]

Whoever posted this obviously just doesn't understand the sport. I've heard stories of fighters and coaches being around him in the gym and they said there simply wasn't anybody like him. Boxing forums on the internet are just funny.

Ive read differing things about Marciano though. Boxing Journalists and others weren't sure of him initially eg looked awkward and didn't have the natural talent others had eg Archie Moore. What Marciano did have and I give him credit was a great punch and spirit.