Rocky Marciano is very overrated IMO

[QueensburyRules]

Well, you must have misread those numbers - as there obviously can't be more heavyweights, than the total number of boxers from all divisions!

I believe most people would take 22k to mean 22,000, right? Is it possible, that you read it as 2200? I guess this must be the case - as it would explain, why going from 22k to 13k is a reduction of 900!

- - Dunno all the ends and outs of ephemeral boxrec whose ratings can change in a nanosecond, but the last rated hvys of 2022 were in the 3ks, so a significant drop off in the hvy division is occurring.

Keep in mind we da people in this world are still mired in the official Governmental Corona Panics of 2020 that decimated the world to such a degree that sparked major geopolitical disasters ongoing to this day, so boxing along with every other demographic is going to take a major hit.

Elon Musk has lost over 200Bil in worth in 2022 alone.

[Lomadeaux]

I notice that you agree with my notion of several years, that the more fighters, the more completion and equals better fighters. That means the best fighter out of 1000 fighters is better than the best of 100.

Now we just need to establish which era had the most fighters.

If you talked to WW2 vets (most of them almost all gone now), everyone boxed or knew how to an extent. Even if you speak with guys in their 70's/80's now, a lot of them at least know of a lot of fighters back in the day. If I were to guess which era had the most fighters I'd say in and around the career of Ray Robinson. 1940's to the 1960's. But then again the 70's and 80's were packed too.

It's people who are in the game that can help the understanding of people on forums like these. To the average poster on here, they're probably in their early 20's.. never fought.. never been in an actual gym, and learned about boxing on the internet. This is why you get ridiculous opinions and such insane behavior on here.

To the average poster on here - if you're willing to learn... A local tournament in the 70's and 80's probably had 15-20 guys in a single bracket for each weight division. Now you'll get maybe 8. So out of the guys competing, think about how many more are in the gym training. What I mean by that is not everyone becomes a top level fighter. Many train in gyms for years and don't have nearly as many fights as active kids. There's a hierarchy and if you have someone fighting in the middleweight division, but there's 10 guys in that same gym who are middleweights... obviously not all of them are going to the tournament. They're not even the best in their gym, so they're not going to go up against their teammate/top dog unless they go to a different gym.

Fighters were better back in day. Athletes don't change, styles do. Someone like Joe Louis who didn't spend time looking at a TicTok all day and fought anybody and everybody simply would not have any issue with a modern fighter. Ray Robinson would obliterate anyone who stepped in his path in 2023. Then he'd fight the next month against the #2 contender and people would be like... what?

[BattlingNelson]

If you talked to WW2 vets (most of them almost all gone now), everyone boxed or knew how to an extent. Even if you speak with guys in their 70's/80's now, a lot of them at least know of a lot of fighters back in the day. If I were to guess which era had the most fighters I'd say in and around the career of Ray Robinson. 1940's to the 1960's. But then again the 70's and 80's were packed too.

It's people who are in the game that can help the understanding of people on forums like these. To the average poster on here, they're probably in their early 20's.. never fought.. never been in an actual gym, and learned about boxing on the internet. This is why you get ridiculous opinions and such insane behavior on here.

To the average poster on here - if you're willing to learn... A local tournament in the 70's and 80's probably had 15-20 guys in a single bracket for each weight division. Now you'll get maybe 8. So out of the guys competing, think about how many more are in the gym training. What I mean by that is not everyone becomes a top level fighter. Many train in gyms for years and don't have nearly as many fights as active kids. There's a hierarchy and if you have someone fighting in the middleweight division, but there's 10 guys in that same gym who are middleweights... obviously not all of them are going to the tournament. They're not even the best in their gym, so they're not going to go up against theirteammate/top dog unless they go to a different gym.

Fighters were better back in day. Athletes don't change, styles do. Someone like Joe Louis who didn't spend time looking at a TicTok all day and fought anybody and everybody simply would not have any issue with a modern fighter. Ray Robinson would obliterate anyone who stepped in his path in 2023. Then he'd fight the next month against the #2 contender and people would be like... what?

I wouldn’t count barroom brawlers, soldiers etc as included in the depth of the boxers pool tbh. I’d rather see how many who boxed for a living from era to era. It’s among those you find the best. Since the fall of the Berlin Wall the amount of boxers has increased by thousands of fighters. Add to that the increased global population you will find a massive increase in fighters in the absolute term.

There’s a thread about that a while ago.

[Willie Pep 229]

- - Dunno all the ends and outs of ephemeral boxrec whose ratings can change in a nanosecond, but the last rated hvys of 2022 were in the 3ks, so a significant drop off in the hvy division is occurring.

Keep in mind we da people in this world are still mired in the official Governmental Corona Panics of 2020 that decimated the world to such a degree that sparked major geopolitical disasters ongoing to this day, so boxing along with every other demographic is going to take a major hit.

Elon Musk has lost over 200Bil in worth in 2022 alone.

And we'll he should have. Don't go blaming the economy - Musk has turned out to be a dult, a self destructing elitist. He's in a tail spin and if he doesn't get his narcissistic self in check he's going to be remembered as a clown.

[Lomadeaux]

I wouldn’t count barroom brawlers, soldiers etc as included in the depth of the boxers pool tbh. I’d rather see how many who boxed for a living from era to era. It’s among those you find the best. Since the fall of the Berlin Wall the amount of boxers has increased by thousands of fighters. Add to that the increased global population you will find a massive increase in fighters in the absolute term.

There’s a thread about that a while ago.

Yea, I wonder if outside of America of course, the numbers have increased. Over here they have not at all.

[Bundana]

If I were to guess which era had the most fighters I'd say in and around the career of Ray Robinson. 1940's to the 1960's. But then again the 70's and 80's were packed too.

If I were to guess, I'd say that the annual number of active fighters during those 5 decades (40s to 80s) was far, far lower than in recent years!

[QueensburyRules]

And we'll he should have. Don't go blaming the economy - Musk has turned out to be a dult, a self destructing elitist. He's in a tail spin and if he doesn't get his narcissistic self in check he's going to be remembered as a clown.

- - Not an expert in corporate behaviors and business strategies in general, but after the bizarre pedo accusations against the hero diver who rescued those trapped Caver kiddos, in Thailand I think, and then smoking a joint in a disjointed Utube video, the Board of directors neutered his power that has possibly been reestablished.

At any rate, electric cars are the latest fad for the "save the world, any world but our own communities faction" who don't understand the electric fad is 2.0 update from what happened in early 20th century municipal fraud that thankfully didn't last near as long.

With massive subsidies in automotive and space travel, Musky purt well set up even if in a tailspin now. GM/Ford/Mercedes/Volkswagon poised to offer significant electric competition that will end up in FAIL mode as people who need transportation realize they ain't the solution save for small inner city travels.

[Lomadeaux]

If I were to guess, I'd say that the annual number of active fighters during those 5 decades (40s to 80s) was far, far lower than in recent years!

Impossible dude. Tournaments back then lasted weeks. They last a couple days now. Math doesn't add up.

[Bundana]

Impossible dude. Tournaments back then lasted weeks. They last a couple days now. Math doesn't add up.

Can you please stop with the tournament talk! We're obviously talking about pro boxing... and Bat has already explained to you, that the number of active boxers has increased by many thousands since the fall of The Wall. Why is that so hard for you to accept?

[Willie Pep 229]

Bat's argument that more fighters means more great fighters is logical and also probable but not certain.

It matters where the new numbers come from; it's effected by other circumstances such as: available investment money; opportunities to learn, i.e. availability of great trainers; availability of outside opportunities that shorten careers; shorter routes to championship fights and big money and thus earlier retirements, ETC.