prime marciano vs. 2003 james toney

[Ascended]

Your fallacy argument of “Anyone with vision can see it” doesn’t work here I’m afraid.

If your “evidence” is “look at the video” then yes that is nothing more than an opinion.

And your own “video evidence” disproves your own point by Toney getting easily beaten by a journeyman with little skill.

Winning and losing has nothing to do with advances being shown before the match ends so stop saying that ****** comment on who won you slow person who can’t see good idiot, advances shown each round matter, and what is shown is Drake used more angles/more fluid/better tech/fought smarter/better defense none of this is an opinion it’s in the match

the Louis era for a fact in every full match fought like this which isn’t an opinion

They don't fight from range much; they leave themselves open a lot.
A lot of times, they will just throw themselves into the body and not protect themselves.

They use mostly counters when up close; the lateral movement is very basic; they don't seem to be able to punch from range while doing it smoothly; they have to stop then punch most of the time; and their feet are mostly tiptoeing.

And a lot of times they wait for the person to hit them, standing right in front of their opponent. They all had these or multiple of these flaws in this era, because it was all they knew it was the style. "

They even a lot of times looked to seem like they getting ready to dodge as if a football player were ready to run and they looked off balance doing that the person usually didn't counter that they just got away with it, they did that cause they weren't always good at reading where the other person was moving to, on top of they had their hands low doing that

that seems like a coincidence to me everyone in the 30s-40s had all or multiple of those tech/flaws, or is it it’s the only way they knew how to fight back then?

no mid-carder or no name which Drake was for a fact fought with these many flaws and obsolete tech in the '''70s-90s this isn’t an opinion it’s a fact you won’t find it in these eras, why is it I can see drake who many don't even consider him as skilled for his era having all those same exact flaws if it's a so-called opinion you liar slow idiot? It is because I'm looking at every movement

jersey looks good for his era not compared he looks like trash, all of these flaws if anybody used these along with the obsolete tech they would be destroyed very easily in the 1st by any average '70s-'90s,


It's even people on YouTube who say how horrible Jersey and Rock were and the other guys in the era in matches, why would they say that?, because they're looking at every single movement, and they see the same obsolete flaws and tech I named and they have seen way more advanced eras like the 70s or 90s and all those obsolete flaws and tech don't exist the same exact way, are they so called wrong ? multiple people by the way who say the same thing? Or is their vision good and they aren't being lunatics who pretend to be blind and are very slow like you pretend to be or actually are?



So you can't see rock and jersey, and the guy he is fighting is very sloppy and stiff, very overextending a lot of times to the body, and very hesitant in most movements?

You said the same could be said for Toney but that was a lie, cause the flaws that I described that Rock and Jersey showed, weren't in the same obsolete way they showed so why did you lie?, and with those flaws, I said jersey and rock had they both had all the other flaws and obsolete tech I described at the beginning of this comment, and toney for a fact never in any match had all those flaws and for a fact didn't have all those obsolete tech either

[Willow The Wisp]

"......So how is any of this an opinion, you crazy idiot?"

Lol. You're back with a new name to troll with your echo dome theories about boxing technique being born in the 1970s.

Life would be difficult for anyone burdened with the handicap that your posting exhibits; and I leave you to your own homegrown way of thinking. Live well.

[Willow The Wisp]

.....Except to say, in case any new-to-boxing types might be reading.....Tony was never much of a heavyweight.

[Ascended]

.....Except to say, in case any new-to-boxing types might be reading.....Tony was never much of a heavyweight.

idiot missing lots of things you follower, so why did you post that?

How about the real way he really fought and his era?
So you can't see rock and jersey, and the guy he is fighting is very sloppy and stiff, very overextending a lot of times to the body, and very hesitant in most movements?

They don't fight from range much; they leave themselves open a lot.
A lot of times, they will just throw themselves into the body and not protect themselves.

They use mostly counters when up close; the lateral movement is very basic; they don't seem to be able to punch from range while doing it smoothly; they have to stop then punch most of the time; and their feet are mostly tiptoeing.

And a lot of times they wait for the person to hit them, standing right in front of their opponent. They all had these or multiple of these flaws in this era, because it wasp all they knew it was the style.

And that guy channel you posted the video from isn't sane either or is people in his comments

[Ascended]

.....Except to say, in case any new-to-boxing types might be reading.....Tony was never much of a heavyweight.

Toney, in his 14th match, was way more advanced than anybody, even at that point. If you can't clearly see how much more advanced these guys were, your vision is horrible, and you don't understand boxing. Nothing you say matters, idiot.

[cfang]

Was going to post something about the most sought after boxing trainers in the 70s and 80s being from the earlier eras but what’s the point lol. I’m going to leave this guy to his mixed up world.

[IronDanHamza]

Winning and losing has nothing to do with advances being shown before the match ends so stop saying that ****** comment on who won you slow person who can’t see good idiot, advances shown each round matter, and what is shown is Drake used more angles/more fluid/better tech/fought smarter/better defense none of this is an opinion it’s in the match

the Louis era for a fact in every full match fought like this which isn’t an opinion

They don't fight from range much; they leave themselves open a lot.
A lot of times, they will just throw themselves into the body and not protect themselves.

They use mostly counters when up close; the lateral movement is very basic; they don't seem to be able to punch from range while doing it smoothly; they have to stop then punch most of the time; and their feet are mostly tiptoeing.

And a lot of times they wait for the person to hit them, standing right in front of their opponent. They all had these or multiple of these flaws in this era, because it was all they knew it was the style. "

They even a lot of times looked to seem like they getting ready to dodge as if a football player were ready to run and they looked off balance doing that the person usually didn't counter that they just got away with it, they did that cause they weren't always good at reading where the other person was moving to, on top of they had their hands low doing that

that seems like a coincidence to me everyone in the 30s-40s had all or multiple of those tech/flaws, or is it it’s the only way they knew how to fight back then?

no mid-carder or no name which Drake was for a fact fought with these many flaws and obsolete tech in the '''70s-90s this isn’t an opinion it’s a fact you won’t find it in these eras, why is it I can see drake who many don't even consider him as skilled for his era having all those same exact flaws if it's a so-called opinion you liar slow idiot? It is because I'm looking at every movement

jersey looks good for his era not compared he looks like trash, all of these flaws if anybody used these along with the obsolete tech they would be destroyed very easily in the 1st by any average '70s-'90s,


It's even people on YouTube who say how horrible Jersey and Rock were and the other guys in the era in matches, why would they say that?, because they're looking at every single movement, and they see the same obsolete flaws and tech I named and they have seen way more advanced eras like the 70s or 90s and all those obsolete flaws and tech don't exist the same exact way, are they so called wrong ? multiple people by the way who say the same thing? Or is their vision good and they aren't being lunatics who pretend to be blind and are very slow like you pretend to be or actually are?



So you can't see rock and jersey, and the guy he is fighting is very sloppy and stiff, very overextending a lot of times to the body, and very hesitant in most movements?

You said the same could be said for Toney but that was a lie, cause the flaws that I described that Rock and Jersey showed, weren't in the same obsolete way they showed so why did you lie?, and with those flaws, I said jersey and rock had they both had all the other flaws and obsolete tech I described at the beginning of this comment, and toney for a fact never in any match had all those flaws and for a fact didn't have all those obsolete tech either

Drake Thadzi is a bum and would be a bum in any era. Your great footage of him beating Toney with ease doesn't support your argument in any way.

The rest of your cut and paste wall of text I have already addressed multiple times.

The flaws you cite for them also apply to Toney, as previously explained.

[Ascended]

Was going to post something about the most sought after boxing trainers in the 70s and 80s being from the earlier eras but what’s the point lol. I’m going to leave this guy to his mixed up world.

So you can't see bear and the guy he is fighting are very sloppy and stiff very over extending alot of times to the body and are very hesitant in most movements

they don't fight from range much, they leave themselves open alot
alot of times will just throw to the body and not protect themselves

they use mostly counters when up close, the lateral movement is very basic they don't seem to be able to punch from range while doing it smoothly they have to stop then punch most of the time and their feet are mostly tiptoeing

And a lot of times waits for the person to hit them stands right in front of their opponent, they all had these or multiple of these flaws tech and flaws in this era, cause it was all they knew it was the style

Oh and no one even made mid card fighting this horrible in 70s~90s idiot

[Ascended]

Was going to post something about the most sought after boxing trainers in the 70s and 80s being from the earlier eras but what’s the point lol. I’m going to leave this guy to his mixed up world.

Now compare to this you either are blind or a lunatic idiot, anybody with good vision can clearly see baer and his era were very novice like compared and moorer and foreman would destroy their whole era in the 1st, try not saying idiotic stuff in public next time dummy

And I can post how foreman fought in 70s and show how flawed and basic he was compared to this version, so you're odd quote/ innuendo doesn't work on me, cause this other guy advanced from his 90s version to, same as Ali in 70s, they advanced to be able to compete with the competition, so you even more exposed yourself saying that idiot

[Ascended]

Drake Thadzi is a bum and would be a bum in any era. Your great footage of him beating Toney with ease doesn't support your argument in any way.

The rest of your cut and paste wall of text I have already addressed multiple times.

The flaws you cite for them also apply to Toney, as previously explained.

Winning and losing has nothing to do with advances being shown before the match ends so stop saying that ****** comment on who won you slow person who can’t see good idiot, advances shown each round matter, and what is shown is Drake used more angles/more fluid/better tech/fought smarter/better defense none of this is an opinion it’s in the match

the Louis era for a fact in every full match fought like this which isn’t an opinion

They don't fight from range much; they leave themselves open a lot.
A lot of times, they will just throw themselves into the body and not protect themselves.

They use mostly counters when up close; the lateral movement is very basic; they don't seem to be able to punch from range while doing it smoothly; they have to stop then punch most of the time; and their feet are mostly tiptoeing.

And a lot of times they wait for the person to hit them, standing right in front of their opponent. They all had these or multiple of these flaws in this era, because it was all they knew it was the style. "

They even a lot of times looked to seem like they getting ready to dodge as if a football player were ready to run and they looked off balance doing that the person usually didn't counter that they just got away with it, they did that cause they weren't always good at reading where the other person was moving to, on top of they had their hands low doing that

that seems like a coincidence to me everyone in the 30s-40s had all or multiple of those tech/flaws, or is it it’s the only way they knew how to fight back then?

no mid-carder or no name which Drake was for a fact fought with these many flaws and obsolete tech in the '''70s-90s this isn’t an opinion it’s a fact you won’t find it in these eras, why is it I can see drake who many don't even consider him as skilled for his era having all those same exact flaws if it's a so-called opinion you liar slow idiot? It is because I'm looking at every movement

jersey looks good for his era not compared he looks like trash, all of these flaws if anybody used these along with the obsolete tech they would be destroyed very easily in the 1st by any average '70s-'90s,


It's even people on YouTube who say how horrible Jersey and Rock were and the other guys in the era in matches, why would they say that?, because they're looking at every single movement, and they see the same obsolete flaws and tech I named and they have seen way more advanced eras like the 70s or 90s and all those obsolete flaws and tech don't exist the same exact way, are they so called wrong ? multiple people by the way who say the same thing? Or is their vision good and they aren't being lunatics who pretend to be blind and are very slow like you pretend to be or actually are?



So you can't see rock and jersey, and the guy he is fighting is very sloppy and stiff, very overextending a lot of times to the body, and very hesitant in most movements?

You said the same could be said for Toney but that was a lie, cause the flaws that I described that Rock and Jersey showed, weren't in the same obsolete way they showed so why did you lie?, and with those flaws, I said jersey and rock had they both had all the other flaws and obsolete tech I described at the beginning of this comment, and toney for a fact never in any match had all those flaws and for a fact didn't have all those obsolete tech either

THESE GUYS WERE WAY MORE ADVANCED AND FLUID FOUGHT SMARTER TO