prime marciano vs. 2003 james toney

[Rockin']

So he doesn't upgrade at all, so that means you can't see Toney and his era as more advanced? It just looks the same as the rock era, same tech and flaws, no difference?

I can't picture either guy with long hair in this rock era.

One punch is all that it would take. They are more advanced, and James had remarkable eyes. But one error is all that it takes.

Most likely James does not make that mistake doe, I've already conceded that.

But still, never say never in this sport.

Who'd have thunk that a boxing world champion would sit down to pee?...............Rockin'

[IronDanHamza]

So you can't see rock and jersey, and the guy he is fighting is very sloppy and stiff, very overextending a lot of times to the body, and very hesitant in most movements?

They don't fight from range much; they leave themselves open a lot.
A lot of times, they will just throw themselves into the body and not protect themselves.

They use mostly counters when up close; the lateral movement is very basic; they don't seem to be able to punch from range while doing it smoothly; they have to stop then punch most of the time; and their feet are mostly tiptoeing.

And a lot of times they wait for the person to hit them, standing right in front of their opponent. They all had these or multiple of these flaws in this era, because it was all they knew it was the style. "

So these guys to you look as advanced as the Toney video? So everything I described isn't in this match? so you don't see any flaws or obsolete tech in this match?, so you don't see any problem with how these guys fight compared they just would be able to fight this exact same way in 90s?

I don't know why you keep repeating this. I've already responded to it twice.

I don't disagree that that can apply to both of those fighters but the same applies to Toney as well.

Or are you trying to say that James Toney is some masterfully skillful boxer?

[IronDanHamza]

I'm physically disabled, I have all day today, tomorrow and the next day, the day after that...etc.

Have at it, I would like to hear what you've got in that James Toney hating brain of yours.

.................Rockin'

Erm off the top of my head just in terms of skill only;

Mayweather
Whitaker
Charles
Roy Jones
Arguello
Monzon
Hagler
Duran
H.Johnson
Usyk
Lomahenko
Pacquaio
Hopkins
Ali
Rigondeaux
Ward
Robinson
R.Leonard
B.Leonard

Like I said, I could make a day of it. I would hesitate to rank James Toney ahead of Reggie Johnson if we are talking solely skill level.

[Ascended]

I can't picture either guy with long hair in this rock era.

One punch is all that it would take. They are more advanced, and James had remarkable eyes. But one error is all that it takes.

Most likely James does not make that mistake doe, I've already conceded that.

But still, never say never in this sport.

Who'd have thunk that a boxing world champion would sit down to pee?...............Rockin'

a error that wouldn't be countered because the reflexes weren't there and the tech wouldn't allow rock any chance videos prove this i posted this multiple times, and no match ever did rock hit a person 1 time and they were dropped so don't know why you keep saying that

[Rockin']

Erm off the top of my head just in terms of skill only;

Mayweather
Whitaker
Charles
Roy Jones
Arguello
Monzon
Hagler
Duran
H.Johnson
Usyk
Lomahenko
Pacquaio
Hopkins
Ali
Rigondeaux
Ward
Robinson
R.Leonard
B.Leonard

Like I said, I could make a day of it. I would hesitate to rank James Toney ahead of Reggie Johnson if we are talking solely skill level.

Toney vs Jones: James funked himself, along with Jones' fists, in that bout. I got that info from his trainer at the time.

.............Rockin'

[IronDanHamza]

I will just answer your questions one by one and see if that helps you.

So you can't see rock and jersey, and the guy he is fighting is very sloppy and stiff, very overextending a lot of times to the body, and very hesitant in most movements?

Yes.

Same can be said for Toney on many occasions.

They don't fight from range much; they leave themselves open a lot.
A lot of times, they will just throw themselves into the body and not protect themselves.

Wouldn't disagree. Walcott's ok from range.

James Toney is terrible from range, leaves his body wide open almost all of time even on the inside which the only place where he's good.

They use mostly counters when up close; the lateral movement is very basic; they don't seem to be able to punch from range while doing it smoothly; they have to stop then punch most of the time; and their feet are mostly tiptoeing.

Wouldn't disagree here either.

Toney can't punch from range smoothly either, especially when someone who shows basic competent movement. Because his feet are very slow and stuck in the mud.

And a lot of times they wait for the person to hit them, standing right in front of their opponent. They all had these or multiple of these flaws in this era, because it was all they knew it was the style. "

That's Toney's M.O. It's the only time he excels, when a fighter sits on his chest and throws one punch at a time.

So these guys to you look as advanced as the Toney video? So everything I described isn't in this match? so you don't see any flaws or obsolete tech in this match?, so you don't see any problem with how these guys fight compared they just would be able to fight this exact same way in 90s?

I'd say they're about as "advanced" as each other.

It seems you have a totally warped view of Toney's skill level and general ability.

[IronDanHamza]

Ok, so your vision is horrible, then, because you said it's about the same, anybody who has good vision can clearly see obsolete flaws and tech in the louis era. I posted full matches, yet you can't see an obvious way more advanced era in movements

and i don't know why you're talking about 1 fighter only when I'm looking at all 4 fighters and each movements and flaws that exist in the era

I mean, like I said, your idea of James Toney's skill level and general ability is totally warped and not based in reality what so ever.

You posted a video of him getting soundly beaten in his prime with relative ease by an unranked journeyman Great example of his skillset there mate.

[IronDanHamza]

Toney vs Jones: James funked himself, along with Jones' fists, in that bout. I got that info from his trainer at the time.

.............Rockin'

I'm very aware of the plethora of excuses used for Toney getting totally dominated to the point he looked like it was the first time he'd ever put on a pair of gloves in his life.

[Ascended]

I'm very aware of the plethora of excuses used for Toney getting totally dominated to the point he looked like it was the first time he'd ever put on a pair of gloves in his life.

You're slow and a lunatic I have no reason to keep talking to a person like you who is very slow and can't see good

[IronDanHamza]

You're slow and a lunatic

I like how you used the correct way of saying "you're" there.

Always happy to help buddy.

What are you saying here? That that isn't what happened when James Toney was totally dominated and schooled by Roy Jones?