Larry Holmes and Wladimir Klitschko. Titlereign comparison.

[Ivich]

Really? I'm a big Holmes fan but I'd be shocked to learn who you a referring to. Do you mean M Frazer, D Bey, S Frank, S Ledoux, L Zanon, and O Occiso were all ring magazine ranked me when Holmes fought them? Was Witherspoon? I did not check, but I'm not buying it. Just 2 were unranked? Which two?

Thanks.

Marvis Frazier and Scott Frank.
Ocasio no9
Weaver no6
Ledoux no 10
Zanon no7
Berbick no7
Spinks no3
Evangelista no8
Bey no 3
Smith no 9
Williams no8
Jones no9
Cooney no2
Witherspoon no 10

[Willie Pep 229]

- - Ray backstory of winning a title for his dear dad before he passed, point one.

Ray winning a title, point two.

Jerry never winning a title, point three.

Jerry tagged as Great White Hope point four.

Mind, I ain't no expert as how the IBHOF works, but I know a little bit about how folks work.

Title yea, but only a belt. Quarry would have probably won one in the 80s as well.

Back story is important but shouldn't be.

Both, were by traditional prize fight srandards, top contenders who helped make the game great.

Neither were great champions, and both lost all the really big fights they were in. But they were contenders! And great contenders makes the game great.

Not sure if i agree that the race card really plays into this that much. I don't understand why the press guys would hold Quarry's white skin against him.

[mrbig1]

- - Ray backstory of winning a title for his dear dad before he passed, point one.

Ray winning a title, point two.

Jerry never winning a title, point three.

Jerry tagged as Great White Hope point four.

Mind, I ain't no expert as how the IBHOF works, but I know a little bit about how folks work.

So, If a fighter wins the IBA title he should be in the HOF? I'm talking about the body of work and the era in which he fought. now let's get high.

[QueensburyRules]

Title yea, but only a belt. Quarry would have probably won one in the 80s as well.

Back story is important but shouldn't be.

Both, were by traditional prize fight srandards, top contenders who helped make the game great.

Neither were great champions, and both lost all the really big fights they were in. But they were contenders! And great contenders makes the game great.

Not sure if i agree that the race card really plays into this that much. I don't understand why the press guys would hold Quarry's white skin against him.

- - If it sells papers, or clicks these days, it gets printed, hence Tabloids.

Poor Gerry Cooney.

[Dr. Z]

Marvis Frazier and Scott Frank.
Ocasio no9
Weaver no6
Ledoux no 10
Zanon no7
Berbick no7
Spinks no3
Evangelista no8
Bey no 3
Smith no 9
Williams no8
Jones no9
Cooney no2
Witherspoon no 10

Are these annual ratings or their ratings at the time they fought Holmes? Do you have a link?

[Willow The Wisp]

How can Ray Mancini be in the HOF and Jerry Quarry not be?

Alphabet world titles and short memories.

[Willow The Wisp]

Quarry was a major sports celebrity and an awe inspiring fighter.

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[JAB5239]

Sorry about your Mom. You only get one. QueensburyRules is good at his ....thing. Don't debate that because a debate is not what it is.

He's a troll, that's all he's here for. Thank you for the condolences. You're right, you only get one mother, and she was great. ALS is a bitch.

[Anthony342]

So I take it Holmes had the better overall title reign then?

[QueensburyRules]

So I take it Holmes had the better overall title reign then?

- - 1-6, 0 KO against fighters holding a title may top the heavy measly* scale.
***See Merrium Webster

Lar single win was by 0.0012% margin of hotly disputed victory by points over what may well have been the first, perhaps only snail Mail Champ. Kenny Norton never won a title bout in his only three attempts, though true purists who saw that fight know Kenny took it harder to Lar than Lar to Kenny, the curse of poor, nontransparent officiating that Commishes specialize in.

Kenny was a wealthy fighter and too hot to handle Movie Star by then, ie harder for DKing to exploit than Po'boy lumpy Lar.