Larry Holmes and Wladimir Klitschko. Titlereign comparison.

[JAB5239]

- - DKing handled the WBA fraud for many years until Wlad came along and gave him the boot.

There were a half dozen WBA champs in Lar's title years, ie a half dozen chances to sign to fight them, and nary a single attempt was ever made to my knowledge though their was a slapstick arrangement with King to have him fight Coetzee after he upset Doke's Homecoming. By that time the $$$ had disappeared behind Gerrie and King wouldn't invest his own, so the fight was just a phantasm in fight history.

In 1983 when the fight was scheduled Coetzee was the #3 contender. So you're saying the money dried up for that fight, why?

When should Holmes have fought the rotating WBAtitlists?

[JAB5239]

Is there such a thing as good vodka? It's like gin, it's for the lower classes.

Good point.

[Hooded Terror]

In 1983 when the fight was scheduled Coetzee was the #3 contender. So you're saying the money dried up for that fight, why?

When should Holmes have fought the rotating WBAtitlists?

'rotating WBA titlists"

THAT encapsulates my thoughts back in the 80's, relative to the heavyweight division.

[Dr. Z]

In 1983 when the fight was scheduled Coetzee was the #3 contender. So you're saying the money dried up for that fight, why?

When should Holmes have fought the rotating WBAtitlists?

There was money in the fight. IMO Holmes who I rate highly likeley used politics to avoid the match. If he wanted the fight Coetzee was there. Now I pick Holmes to win. But Coetzee has some explosiveness in his game and a big right hand, which Holmes was occasionally tagged by. It would have been a super charged fight with the political back drop for the match. The is a higher than normal chance for a SD fight and even an upset.

Coetzee is not a fighter I am very familiar with.

Was the Thomas fight a draw in your opinion?

Was the judging fair in the Snipes fight with him losing despite scoring two knockdowns?


Coetzee scored two knockdowns over Snipes and lost what was widely viewed as a controversial decision.

"In Tarrytown, NY, unbeaten heavyweight Renaldo Snipes survived two knockdowns and scored a very unpopular split decision Sunday over Gerrie Coetzee of South Africa. Coetzee had Snipes down in the 1st and 4th rounds, and he appeared to be getting much the better of Snipes throughout most of the rest of their scheduled 10 rounder at the New Westchester Theater. Coetzee pounded Snipes with rights and lefts throughout the fight, and Snipes was ready to fall in the 10th round. When ring announcer Frank Shane read the cards, declaring Snipes the winner, the crowd booed loudly and showered the ring with popcorn, ice cubes and other debris." -Wire Services

• Unofficial AP scorecard - 7-3 Coetzee
• A UPI poll of sportswriters stated, "Every writer polled at ringside had Coetzee well ahead of Snipes by anywhere from eight to six rounds."
• NBC, who aired the fight, stated that their switchboard was flooded with calls from viewers protesting the decision.
• NY state carried the rule of supplemental points for knockdowns, but the rule was not applied. If it had, Coetzee would have won 6-5-1 on Gamboli and Cortez's cards.

Post fight comment

• "It's true, the judges can choose to invoke the points system instead of using rounds, but they did not choose to do so. The decision stands." -Marvin Cohen, Deputy Commissioner of the NYSAC

[Hooded Terror]

"Now I pick Holmes to win. But Coetzee has some explosiveness in his game and a big right hand, which Holmes was occasionally tagged by. It would have been a super charged fight with the political back drop for the match. The is a higher than normal chance for a SD fight and even an upset."

Quite good, Dr. Z.

I recall their press conference with the big oversized gloves and the two fighters posing for photos and taking turns at the dias. I came away thinking Coetzee was a little in awe of stoic Larry. I suspect Coetzee would fold along the dotted lines after the halfway point in such a match. For me, Coetzee was a quart low by '84.

[JAB5239]

There was money in the fight. IMO Holmes who I rate highly likeley used politics to avoid the match. If he wanted the fight Coetzee was there. Now I pick Holmes to win. But Coetzee has some explosiveness in his game and a big right hand, which Holmes was occasionally tagged by. It would have been a super charged fight with the political back drop for the match. The is a higher than normal chance for a SD fight and even an upset.

Coetzee is not a fighter I am very familiar with.

Was the Thomas fight a draw in your opinion?

Was the judging fair in the Snipes fight with him losing despite scoring two knockdowns?


Coetzee scored two knockdowns over Snipes and lost what was widely viewed as a controversial decision.

Holmes did not duck the fight.

Don King, always a master of promotion, decided the black Champ Vs Apartheid South Africa’s first ever champ would set records and line everyone’s pockets. One problem, tennis legend Arthur Ashe and entertainer Harry Belafonte, both also key figures in the civil rights movement, formed an organization called Artists and Athletes against Apartheid (AAAA).
Many athletes and celebrities such as Muhammad Ali, Gene Upshaw, Tony Randall, **** Gregory, Carlos Santana, Paul Newman the champ himself Larry Holmes and yes, even Don King were members of this group (along with dozens and dozens of others). They were dedicated to dismantling Apartheid by doing everything in their power to do so, including boycotting anything that would help profit the government of South Africa.

[QueensburyRules]

Holmes did not duck the fight.

Don King, always a master of promotion, decided the black Champ Vs Apartheid South Africaâs first ever champ would set records and line everyoneâs pockets. One problem, tennis legend Arthur Ashe and entertainer Harry Belafonte, both also key figures in the civil rights movement, formed an organization called Artists and Athletes against Apartheid (AAAA).
Many athletes and celebrities such as Muhammad Ali, Gene Upshaw, Tony Randall, **** Gregory, Carlos Santana, Paul Newman the champ himself Larry Holmes and yes, even Don King were members of this group (along with dozens and dozens of others). They were dedicated to dismantling Apartheid by doing everything in their power to do so, including boycotting anything that would help profit the government of South Africa.

- - Godot still waiting for your special platinum pabulum delivery.

Big John Olympian Tate took the big $$$ fight in South African Coetzee fight in 1979.

Don King was a staple working South African boxing like boxing worked your mug.

Tubby Lar who was still skinny then went life and death against an unknown journeyman, Mike Weaver prior, yet still impoverished under the thumb of King who orchestrated his club fighter title defenses.

[JAB5239]

- - Godot still waiting for your special platinum pabulum delivery.

Big John Olympian Tate took the big $$$ fight in South African Coetzee fight in 1979.

Don King was a staple working South African boxing like boxing worked your mug.

Tubby Lar who was still skinny then went life and death against an unknown journeyman, Mike Weaver prior, yet still impoverished under the thumb of King who orchestrated his club fighter title defenses.

Exactly how much were they paid, and what is your source?

It chews you up that Holmes will be a top ten all time great for the rest of your sclerosis filled short lifespan. Doesn't it?

[QueensburyRules]

Exactly how much were they paid, and what is your source?

It chews you up that Holmes will be a top ten all time great for the rest of your sclerosis filled short lifespan. Doesn't it?

- - Dunno and don't care to cast pearls before swine if I did.

Guaranteed Tubby Lar to be slipping with the Ks rising in the next IBRO poll ca 2029...boohoohoo...

[JAB5239]

- - Dunno and don't care to cast pearls before swine if I did.

Guaranteed Tubby Lar to be slipping with the Ks rising in the next IBRO poll ca 2029...boohoohoo...

With 20 CONSECUTIVE defenses....I doubt it. Wlad may gain some ground, but Vits will never be a threat to even come close to Holmes. Bank on it!!

And of course you have no answer. It's easier for you to talk out you azz than provide true and real facts.