Joe Frazier beats both Klitschkos

[EzzardFan]

what big,slow jabbing [heavy handed]* heavies did frazier beat for you to figure this out???i'll wait

You mean apart from Bugner and Mathis right?

*[]'s added by troll.

Personally I reckon Bugner would murder both the Klits but they might stand a chance against Mathis.

[r.burgundy]

You mean apart from Bugner and Mathis right?

*[]'s added by troll.

Personally I reckon Bugner would murder both the Klits but they might stand a chance against Mathis.

lmao good god man.stop acting like you got a mental block.mathis was 6'2 and 900lbs.so by yuor logic thats comparable to muscular 6'7 and 250 lol.your begining to fall into the idiot zone.your man crush for joe is disturbing

[JAB5239]

you never fail to show that your an idiot.its easier to get inside on hooks than it is straits genious.thats why ali hit frazier with damn near eveyy jab he threw.problem is they didnt have a ton of pop on them unlike the klits.and the wlad in paticular has a very deep bag of punches.if you think he just throws jabs and straits then you havent seen many fights

Let me ask you something......have you ever actually watched a fight let alone been in the ring?

Ali misses more punches against Frazier than any fighter he ever fought. Would you care to argue that? He was also many times faster than either of the Klits. Nobody says Wlad can't throw an upper cut or hook, but that really isn't his style now compared to Foreman who did it on the regular, is it?

[JAB5239]

lmao good god man.stop acting like you got a mental block.mathis was 6'2 and 900lbs.so by yuor logic thats comparable to muscular 6'7 and 250 lol.your begining to fall into the idiot zone.your man crush for joe is disturbing

You asked for slow jabbing heavies and he gave them to you. Now you're flaming because you have no argument. :gay:

[StarshipTrooper]

You asked for slow jabbing heavies and he gave them to you. Now you're flaming because you have no argument. :gay:

He's also proved himself to be a bull**** artist with this line:

he was eviscerated by big george.he lasted a total of 7 rounds in 2 fights and didnt land 1 meaningful punch.

Considering Frazier spun Foreman's head around a couple of times with left-hooks in their first fight shows that r.burgundy either

A. Hasn't actually WATCHED the fight

or

B. Ignores all evidence that gives the lie to his agenda

Six of one half-dozen of the other.

Poet

[geribeetus]

Foreman was throwing hooks and upper cuts, the Klits throw more jabs and rights. In other words Frazier would be moving right into Foremans power zone as we all well know, but be slipping under that of the Klits. That doesn't make it an automatic win, but its something to think about.

i agree they rely more on them, but wlad's been known to stretch guys with a single left hook. vitali doesn't throw conventional punches, but he does have a hook, although it doesn't seem to be as good as wladimir's.

all i'm saying is if wlad has the kind of power steward says he does, he's got at least a fighting chance against frazier. and i think wlad's speed gets badly underrated on the history forums.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqIDl-_5HZY

i don't think they make 1-2s a lot faster than the one 6 seconds in. wlad might not hit frazier as much as ali, but none of us can say for sure what would happen when he does land.

[JAB5239]

i agree they rely more on them, but wlad's been known to stretch guys with a single left hook. vitali doesn't throw conventional punches, but he does have a hook, although it doesn't seem to be as good as wladimir's.

all i'm saying is if wlad has the kind of power steward says he does, he's got at least a fighting chance against frazier. and i think wlad's speed gets badly underrated on the history forums.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqIDl-_5HZY

i don't think they make 1-2s a lot faster than the one 6 seconds in. wlad might not hit frazier as much as ali, but none of us can say for sure what would happen when he does land.

Wlad has a chance, that I wouldn't even argue. And Wlad does throw a mean left hook. But if you watch Foreman fight, his hooks are coming up or down in a somewhat chopping motion.. Wlads punches are technically more refined which would give Frazier a greater chance of slipping underneath them.

Wlad is better than I give him credit for much of the time. But he's not as good as many on here make him out to be. That said...he's still a angerous fighter.

[them_apples]

Wlad has a chance, that I wouldn't even argue. And Wlad does throw a mean left hook. But if you watch Foreman fight, his hooks are coming up or down in a somewhat chopping motion.. Wlads punches are technically more refined which would give Frazier a greater chance of slipping underneath them.

Wlad is better than I give him credit for much of the time. But he's not as good as many on here make him out to be. That said...he's still a angerous fighter.

Foreman just timed an nice uppercut, he missed with most of his hooks as well untill he had Frazier on ***** street from uppercuts.

The K bros have no uppercut, the key punch to dismantling a pressure fighter with head movement. This is why Ali had so much trouble with Frazier, he's a head hunter with no uppercut.

The K bros simply don't have a good uppercut to deal with Frazier and that is why i made this thread.

[them_apples]

hmmmm...

Remember Foreman vs Frazier.

Ho,and Foreman was just 6.3.

6'4 * in (ring shoes) 6'3 1/2, power punching beast with an 82 reach.

i don't get Foremans Tale of the tape, he's listed as 6'4 in his comeback with a 79 reach, in his prime he's 6'3 1/2 with an 82 reach. Ali is listed as having a 80 reach but it looks like he's got at least 82, he said in the "when we were kings" dvd that his reach was 84..I which i don't believe.

[geribeetus]

Foreman just timed an nice uppercut, he missed with most of his hooks as well untill he had Frazier on ***** street from uppercuts.

The K bros have no uppercut, the key punch to dismantling a pressure fighter with head movement. This is why Ali had so much trouble with Frazier, he's a head hunter with no uppercut.

The K bros simply don't have a good uppercut to deal with Frazier and that is why i made this thread.

good post but i still disagree. like you said, it only took foreman a nice uppercut, so he didn't have to hit frazier with many punches. wlad has less power, but is the more refined puncher and would probably have an easier time landing a hook than foreman. frazier can make his man miss a lot, but not all of them. and once he's inside frazier will stay there and won't move his head as much. he'd also have a harder time smothering punches against someone as tall as either klitschko. i remember bonavena timing frazier with the hook a lot when he was moving inside. i assume anyone trained by manny steward will have better timing than bonavena.

i just think they've, got a better chance than most are giving them credit for.