Joe Frazier beats both Klitschkos

[r.burgundy]

Pretty much.It's difficult to really give frazier the edge in matchups like this as the only time he stepped in the ring with a puncher was when he was dusted quite easily.frazier never proved that he could take a shot and ducking virtually every other puncher of his generation doesn't do much to improve his chances against a great puncher with greater technique than the punchers frazier did duck.



The feather fisted Ali was also able to hurt frazier a number of times throughout all three fights also.

word lol.now these guys are in here twisting history trying to turn joe into pernel whitaker acting as if he was impossible to hit lol,or making it seem like he had some deep arsenal of punches.he was a crude,left hooker.get over it people..these guys in here kill me.smokin joe woulda bounced his happy ass right into a strait right and went to sleep

[res]

still doesnt change the fact this his chris byrd like power was able shake george up,and drop him.ive seen nothing outta young george to suggest that he could deal with somebody,bigger,stronger,and who could actually box.i would actually give old george a better chance and either way,this getting to far away from frazier

George could be dropped because he lacked stamina and the fight had gone into the final stretch.

You don't seriously think that a fighter than can brawl with Ron Lyle can't take Jimmy Young's power do you? That one must just be an argument to defend your fighter. Ofcourse Foreman's stamina won't be a factor with Klit because this isn't going past the 5th round as another poster stated.

[r.burgundy]

George could be dropped because he lacked stamina and the fight had gone into the final stretch.

You don't seriously think that a fighter than can brawl with Ron Lyle can't take Jimmy Young's power do you? That one must just be an argument to defend your fighter. Ofcourse Foreman's stamina won't be a factor with Klit because this isn't going past the 5th round as another poster stated.

if im not mistaken foreman got dropped by lyle in the 3rd or 4th rnd.nice try though.and lyle was only 210lbs i think.your right though.no way he lasts 5 with a klit

[JAB5239]

if im not mistaken foreman got dropped by lyle in the 3rd or 4th rnd.nice try though.and lyle was only 210lbs i think.your right though.no way he lasts 5 with a klit

And Wlad got ko'd in the 2nd and 5th by Sanders and Brewster, neither who were remotely close to as good as Frazier and only out weighed Joe by about 15lbs.

[them_apples]

And Wlad got ko'd in the 2nd and 5th by Sanders and Brewster, neither who were remotely close to as good as Frazier and only out weighed Joe by about 15lbs.

Lyle was 210 lbs back in the day when Heavyweights trained. Fat Ali was 235+ and even then he wasn't half as fat as some of the Hw's today. The K bros are big but not everyone else is..even if they weigh in heavy.

[them_apples]

how can people watch klitschko and possibly think he's better than Frazier. Frazier is just straight better. He's even faster.

[StarshipTrooper]

how can people watch klitschko and possibly think he's better than Frazier.

Congenital ******ation crossed my mind.

Poet

[Schmerzen]

im not sure about frazier, but liston would beat wladimir.
wlad doesnt have a reach advantage over liston, even when he is 5" taller than him.
after 5 rounds with liston wladimirs legs would get tired, now liston would start to throw few jabs to penetrate wlads defense, then its just a matter of time until liston finishes him.

while vitaly would cause way more problems to liston, vitaly has better stamina than wlad and his timing is close to perfekt.
i would rather see this fight, even when wlad has a better resume than his big brother, the outcome of liston vs vitaly is harder to predict.

[mickey malone]

These two posts sum it up perfectly..

Ezzard Fan-The thing I like about the Klitschkos is that I can cook a pizza between them starting their punches and them landing...

I think that Frazier would easily get inside, the main problem being that he tended to take too many shots to get inside and this is where he'd be vulnerable to these monsters. I'd still pick him to beat them though, just not simultaneously LOL.

Inside fighting is a long lost art, it pretty much died out in the early 60s. The referees these days break fighters apart too soon, that's a big part of the problem. Frazier wasn't as skilled as the fighters that went before him but had far superior inside skills to today's fighters. The Klitschkos have never encountered a fighter with those inside skills.

The fight I really would like to see would be Archie Moore vs a Klitschko. Archie's defense would be perfect for them, and the Old Mongoose was skilled at working his way inside to find the button.

I had an interesting couple of sparring sessions these past two weeks, with an opponent 6 years my junior (I'm 39) that outweighed me by 25lbs and had much longer reach (everyone has a longer reach than me I'm 6' & 175lbs with a 68" reach). The first time I tried to play stick and run and he handed me my ass big time, opening up on me with these huge swinging bombs, stopping me cold and cutting me down. The second time I kept going inside him using the cross armed guard and hitting him with inside punches, uppercuts, short straights, inside cross, short hooks, and even a few overhand shots, alternating my attack between head and body. I wasn't swarming on him just pecking away carefully placing my shots so that they counted. He could barely hit me, was too off balance to clinch, and actually surrendered after 3 rounds looking thoroughly disillusioned. We were wearing head guards and I was holding back a little, but found his button several times. Like many big tall fighters he had a tendency to move his head up from punches exposing his chin. The Klitschkos share this trait.

My point is that old fashioned approach works really well against larger fighters with a reach advantage, if you make it past their jab (the easy part) they try and chop you down with big swings (although they probably consider those to be short hooks LOL) which is essentially what Foreman did to Frazier, but Ancient Archie's cross armed defence is water tight against that type of assault.Originally Posted by them_apples
it took Wlad 12 rounds to get rid of a cruiserweight with 0 heart, how is a guy like Frazier too small?

them_apples-208 lb Evander Holyfield was ****ing with 6'5 Rid**** Bowe. (he lost 2 times and beats bowe once)

On top of that, the Klitschkos really are just lucky to be facing average oponents. they don't posses great hand speed or incredible power, they are simply just strong fundamental boxers with no threats in the division.

I mean look at Kevin Johnson(sp) or Chris Aereolla, or even Eddie chambers, these are guys that Frazier would have knocked out cold in a few rounds.
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[r.burgundy]

And Wlad got ko'd in the 2nd and 5th by Sanders and Brewster, neither who were remotely close to as good as Frazier and only out weighed Joe by about 15lbs.

which is why i gave foreman a chance against pre steward wlad.you failed to mention that lamon brewester took a hell of a beating in that fight.a beating which frazier couldnt have took.and corrie sanders is also close to 6'5 while brewster is 6'2.both well taller than frazier,and better chinned.and brewster caught a terrible beatdown in the rematch