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  • Originally posted by geribeetus View Post
    who really knows. manny steward has said wlad has more power than tyson. as much as i like frazier, i can't say i'd bet my house that his chin would hold up.
    Klitschko is Manny's boy, don't forget that.

    Don't forget the speed in which Tyson put behind every punch, that's the difference.

    Wlad would have to pull the trigger and actually land it. Joe was able to dodge Ali's speed fairly well and Ali is 100x faster than Wlad.

    The fact is Joe beat Ali, and as long as that remains a fact, people will give Joe the benefit of the doubt over either Klitschko, as Ali at the time he fought Frazier, is better than either Klitschko, and any fighter they've ever faced.

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    • Originally posted by them_apples View Post
      Fraziers style would be a nightmare for the K bros. They are very upright and don't tuck their chins, and they don't seem to like fighting inside. Everyone they face fights them at their reach. Frazier would be inside and never take a step back. I'm not so certain they would even have any punching power in close.
      hmmmm...

      Remember Foreman vs Frazier.

      Ho,and Foreman was just 6.3.

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      • Originally posted by BillyBoxing View Post
        hmmmm...

        Remember Foreman vs Frazier.

        Ho,and Foreman was just 6.3.
        Foreman was throwing hooks and upper cuts, the Klits throw more jabs and rights. In other words Frazier would be moving right into Foremans power zone as we all well know, but be slipping under that of the Klits. That doesn't make it an automatic win, but its something to think about.

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        • frazier was put down close to a dozen times in his career,ducked virtually every puncher of his generation and was put down six times in two rounds.........how does he not have a questionable chin?

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          • Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post
            Foreman was throwing hooks and upper cuts, the Klits throw more jabs and rights. In other words Frazier would be moving right into Foremans power zone as we all well know, but be slipping under that of the Klits. That doesn't make it an automatic win, but its something to think about.
            Good point. He's built to be big slow moving jabbing heavies like those guys.

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            • i think alot of people are underestimating the abilities of the klits.. i am not big fans of either fighter, but they do have some skills.. i can see the outcome of frasier beating both klits, ko'ing the chinny wlad, but i can also see frasier getting his ass handed to him as well.. the biggest thing for frasier is idk if he would have the speed to get inside consistently and be effective, but i know once he does get inside frasier is going to do alot of damage.. keep in mind the klits are some huge heavyweights with an outstanding reach. wlad especially has a pretty efficient jab with power to match.. it would be interesting fights.. i would liked to have seen mike tyson vs the klits, as i think he would fare better against them
              Last edited by C.Y.; 04-05-2010, 04:58 AM.

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              • Originally posted by r.burgundy View Post
                mike tyson once said everybody has a gameplan till they get hit.so say frazier survives that hit is silly to me
                Believe me Frazier was a hard man, it's going to take more than one hit to throw his gameplan off. Check the Frazier vs Bonevana fight.

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                • Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post
                  Foreman was throwing hooks and upper cuts, the Klits throw more jabs and rights. In other words Frazier would be moving right into Foremans power zone as we all well know, but be slipping under that of the Klits. That doesn't make it an automatic win, but its something to think about.
                  you never fail to show that your an idiot.its easier to get inside on hooks than it is straits genious.thats why ali hit frazier with damn near eveyy jab he threw.problem is they didnt have a ton of pop on them unlike the klits.and the wlad in paticular has a very deep bag of punches.if you think he just throws jabs and straits then you havent seen many fights
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                  • Originally posted by them_apples View Post
                    Believe me Frazier was a hard man, it's going to take more than one hit to throw his gameplan off. Check the Frazier vs Bonevana fight.
                    my father is 63.he says the same thing i say.frazier was a c level fighter who beat an A level fighterhe has to A fighters on his resume went 1-5.he was eviscerated by big george.he lasted a total of 7 rounds in 2 fights and didnt land 1 meaningful punch.if he was really tough he wouldve fought shavers,norton,lyle and jimmy young,like foreman and ali
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                    • Originally posted by EzzardFan View Post
                      Good point. He's built to be big slow moving jabbing heavies like those guys.
                      what big,slow jabbing heavy handed heavies did frazier beat for you to figure this out???i'll wait
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