Joe Frazier beats both Klitschkos

[them_apples]

good post but i still disagree. like you said, it only took foreman a nice uppercut, so he didn't have to hit frazier with many punches. wlad has less power, but is the more refined puncher and would probably have an easier time landing a hook than foreman. frazier can make his man miss a lot, but not all of them. and once he's inside frazier will stay there and won't move his head as much. he'd also have a harder time smothering punches against someone as tall as either klitschko. i remember bonavena timing frazier with the hook a lot when he was moving inside. i assume anyone trained by manny steward will have better timing than bonavena.

i just think they've, got a better chance than most are giving them credit for.

Ali had a harder time landing on Frazier, reason being - his uppercut had no beef on it. for an ATG fighter Ali's uppercut was seriously lacking. Probably because it's a punch you throw when you are closer to your opponent.

I think the Klitschkos have really fought next to no adversity. whenever they are faced with any level of competition it usually makes them look bad. there oponents have 0 head movement. I mean Areolla was basically a fat Cleveland Williams with probably less power. Just walking forward with no skill at all.

[Ascended]

Post is by a crazy troll and everybody who picked joe is the same crazy idiots
from that time has no any chance

[Willie Pep 229]

Post is by a crazy troll and everybody who picked joe is the same crazy idiots
from that time has no any chance

He therefore may have some chances but not all chances, only certain ones? Very insightful, I agree he only has certain opportunities or chances to win.

One might be his left.

Wait maybe I'm a crazy confused ****** idiot, does the "no" modify the word "any" or the word "chance"?

[QueensburyRules]

Ali had a harder time landing on Frazier, reason being - his uppercut had no beef on it. for an ATG fighter Ali's uppercut was seriously lacking. Probably because it's a punch you throw when you are closer to your opponent.

I think the Klitschkos have really fought next to no adversity. whenever they are faced with any level of competition it usually makes them look bad. there oponents have 0 head movement. I mean Areolla was basically a fat Cleveland Williams with probably less power. Just walking forward with no skill at all.

- - Don't look like you learned a thing in the 12 yrs since, and likely regressed if this response is representative.

[them_apples]

- - Don't look like you learned a thing in the 12 yrs since, and likely regressed if this response is representative.

was a pretty good post for a 20 year old I'd say. I still agree with it.

[QueensburyRules]

was a pretty good post for a 20 year old I'd say. I still agree with it.

- - So you agree with me that you ain't learned much of anything since then.

[them_apples]

- - So you agree with me that you ain't learned much of anything since then.

I even surprised myself how insightful 20 year old me is. Thanks for the reminder.

[JAB5239]

I even surprised myself how insightful 20 year old me is. Thanks for the reminder.

You have always had good insight. But you've come a long way since then. Top notch poster with great knowledge and an eagerness to learn, you are.

[Willow The Wisp]

You have always had good insight. But you've come a long way since then. Top notch poster with great knowledge and an eagerness to learn, you are.

Yoda himself could have said it better not.

[JAB5239]

Yoda himself could have said it better not.

Purely inintentional.