Joe Frazier beats both Klitschkos

[StarshipTrooper]

they are huge

nobody near the size of a klit back then

This is pretty much his entire argument. r.burgundy is a notorious size whore who can't get past weight when comparing fighters.

nobody near the size of a klit back then or even with comparable power

Considering that Foreman and Shavers are considered the two hardest punching Heavyweights ever makes the above a completely moronic statement.

Poet

[r.burgundy]

I think i should cut and paste this so you can read it again.





No Young was not the one laying on the ropes in that quote, he was the one running in and clinching Foreman non-stop during the first half of the fight. Ran in and hugged him like he was his lover every twenty seconds until Foreman began to slow down.


Stronger than Foreman? I don't know, but they sure don't have his power.

still doesnt change the fact this his chris byrd like power was able shake george up,and drop him.ive seen nothing outta young george to suggest that he could deal with somebody,bigger,stronger,and who could actually box.i would actually give old george a better chance and either way,this getting to far away from frazier

[them_apples]

This is pretty much his entire argument. r.burgundy is a notorious size whore who can't get past weight when comparing fighters.




Considering that Foreman and Shavers are considered the two hardest punching Heavyweights ever makes the above a completely moronic statement.

Poet

it took Wlad 12 rounds to get rid of a cruiserweight with 0 heart, how is a guy like Frazier too small?

208 lb Evander Holyfield was ****ing with 6'5 Rid**** Bowe. (he lost 2 times and beats bowe once)

On top of that, the Klitschkos really are just lucky to be facing average oponents. they don't posses great hand speed or incredible power, they are simply just strong fundamental boxers with no threats in the division.

I mean look at Kevin Johnson(sp) or Chris Aereolla, or even Eddie chambers, these are guys that Frazier would have knocked out cold in a few rounds.

[r.burgundy]

This is pretty much his entire argument. r.burgundy is a notorious size whore who can't get past weight when comparing fighters.




Considering that Foreman and Shavers are considered the two hardest punching Heavyweights ever makes the above a completely moronic statement.

Poet

their are weight classes for a reason mcfly
do you not understand what comparable means proffesor?its mean size as well as power.shavers mighta had the power but he was 6' tall 200lbs so he damn sure aint have the size.learn to read
since when did george and shavers pass mike tyson?when did frazier fight shavers?what happened when frazier fought george?

and to call shavers chin china,would be a disrespect to china.he would be damn near a cruiserweight today.the bigger,taller fighters shavers fough handled him easily so i could care less what history says of his so-called power.boxing isnt always about the hardest punch,as much as its about the right punch.and when you have skills like the klits do,you give yourself more oppurtunity to land the right punch

[them_apples]

The only issue we have here is the klits strength, they are obviously strong dudes. If Frazier can nullify that it's an easy night. They would never hit him with anything meaningful, and he'd be clipping them all night long.

[r.burgundy]

it took Wlad 12 rounds to get rid of a cruiserweight with 0 heart, how is a guy like Frazier too small?

208 lb Evander Holyfield was ****ing with 6'5 Rid**** Bowe. (he lost 2 times and beats bowe once)

On top of that, the Klitschkos really are just lucky to be facing average oponents. they don't posses great hand speed or incredible power, they are simply just strong fundamental boxers with no threats in the division.

I mean look at Kevin Johnson(sp) or Chris Aereolla, or even Eddie chambers, these are guys that Frazier would have knocked out cold in a few rounds.

or guys that would knocked him out cold in a few rounds.please stop tryin to turn smoking joe into something he was not.he was a heavyweight tito trinidad.a 1 trick pony,left hook bandit.nobody would care about smokin joe if it wasnt for ali.he wasnt slick,he wasnt big,he wasnt strong,he had no jab,and he went to that rocky school of defense.get outta here tryin to act like this guy reinvented boxing

[StarshipTrooper]

their are weight classes for a reason mcfly

And they're both in the same weight class Einstein.

since when did george and shavers pass mike tyson?

Tyson was never ahead them. The consensus among boxing experts (you're not one of THOSE obviously) has always been that Tyson ranked lower than Foreman and Shavers in terms of punching power.

and to call shavers chin china,would be a disrespect to china.he would be damn near a cruiserweight today.the bigger,taller fighters shavers fough handled him easily so i could care less what history says of his so-called power.boxing isnt always about the hardest punch,as much as its about the right punch.and when you have skills like the klits do,you give yourself more oppurtunity to land the right punch

Shavers' chin isn't the issue so stop trying to deflect the argument. BTW, name me all these "bigger, taller fighters" who handled a PRIME Shavers with ease? The only fighter I can recall handling Shavers easily was Quarry who had no significant size advantage. If you're THIS ignorant about Boxing History than prehaps you shoulf confine your posts to NSB with the other window-licking fan-bois

Poet

[Snopkins]

exactly.frazier would get decapitated by 1 of those guys and there arent many heavys today i would favor him against.stylistically,frazier is perfect for anybody who can punch.i dont think frazier wanted any parts of lyle,norton,or shavers.had he fought those guys id have alot more respect for him and it would be easier to tell how he would do.

but fact is,the 1 guy he fought,who had a big punch,mowed his sloppy ass down in spectaculous fashion.i hear 9 year olds yellin out "down goes frazier" when somebody falls

there is absolutely nothing to suggest that frazier could compete with 1 of these guys.he's famous for having 3 great fights with the feather fisted ali.that is all.end of his story

Pretty much.It's difficult to really give frazier the edge in matchups like this as the only time he stepped in the ring with a puncher was when he was dusted quite easily.frazier never proved that he could take a shot and ducking virtually every other puncher of his generation doesn't do much to improve his chances against a great puncher with greater technique than the punchers frazier did duck.



The feather fisted Ali was also able to hurt frazier a number of times throughout all three fights also.

[StarshipTrooper]

Pretty much.It's difficult to really give frazier the edge in matchups like this as the only time he stepped in the ring with a puncher was when he was dusted quite easily.frazier never proved that he could take a shot and ducking virtually every other puncher of his generation doesn't do much to improve his chances against a great puncher with greater technique than the punchers frazier did duck.

The feather fisted Ali was also able to hurt frazier a number of times throughout all three fights also.

Go steal oxygen elsewhere Quasimoto.

Poet

[r.burgundy]

.just




Tyson was never ahead them. The consensus among boxing experts (you're not one of THOSE obviously) has always been that Tyson ranked lower than Foreman and Shavers in terms of punching power.




Shavers' chin isn't the issue so stop trying to deflect the argument. BTW, name me all these "bigger, taller fighters" who handled a PRIME Shavers with ease? The only fighter I can recall handling Shavers easily was Quarry who had no significant size advantage. If you're THIS ignorant about Boxing History than prehaps you shoulf confine your posts to NSB with the other window-licking fan-bois

Poet

no **** sherlock.just because they are all heavys means size doesnt play a factor lol?get real

the issue being of comparable size and power.you brought shavers up not me.i define tall as 6'3 and up.ron lyle,holmes,and cobb.yiu dont recall shavers vs holmes being easy lol.ok buddy

but either way,all that has nothing to do with get smoked joe