George Foreman, the Man who made the man that is falsely proclaimed as the man in box

[hellfire508]

=========No I meant Holmes isnt in the hall of fame.===========

**Holmes is a HOF fighter. His induction is guaranteed and a mere formality of the rules. Splitting hairs won't get you far in a sport like boxing.

Boo f**king hoo. I stated a fact, deal with it. Everyone knows he will be in the HOF. I'm stating what the present situation is - which is FACT.

[LondonRingRules]

Boo f**king hoo. I stated a fact, deal with it. Everyone knows he will be in the HOF. I'm stating what the present situation is - which is FACT.

I stated Holmes is a HOF fighter. That's a fact and guaranteed and everyone knows it but you.

[hellfire508]

I stated Holmes is a HOF fighter. That's a fact and guaranteed and everyone knows it but you.

Everyone but me? I just said he was a HOF fighter ******. He isn't officially in there though. Are you that ****** to understand?

[whdempsey]

When was Ali's prime? no doubt the fight that made his career was the win over foreman that was in 1974, so you should say 1974 was his prime. His win over Liston is overrated because Liston was all f***ed up when they fought and took a dive in one of the fights. . If Muhammad Ali never beat Foreman he would be regarded so much lower. He lost to Leon Spinks in Spinks's 8th professional fight 5 months after Ali won a UD over Shavers. He lost to Ken Norton in 1971, got his jaw broken in that fight. And Ken Norton was a nobody before he fought Ali, the guy he fought before fighting ALi was 22-8 and so were all the opponents Norton had fought up to that point. His only notable win besides beating ALi was stopping Jerry Quarrey.

Beating Foreman is what made ALI be able to say "I am the greatest" He just had the right game plan and style to beat Foreman.

Foreman made Norton and Frazier and Lyle look like nothing while 2 of those guys beat Ali in his prime. Foreman knocked Norton out in 2. Knocked Frazier down 5 times etc....
Ali basically got lucky against Foreman, if they ever rematched Foreman would have beaten his ass. Ali's mind games got to him and fighting in Africa was kinda a freak thing that might have screwed Georges psyche up.

Foreman KO'd Ron Lyle in 5 while Ali was loosing his fight against Lyle until Ali got a gift premature stoppage, the ref stopped the fight just because Ali flurried basically it was one of the worst stoppages I have ever seen, if the ref was honest Lyle would have went on to beat Ali. The win over Lyle is one Ali's biggest wins, and he did not deserve to win that fight. And of course look how much Ali struggled with Frazier but Foreman obliterated him.


George Foreman is better than Ali, George Foreman made Ali, George Foreman is the real greatest of the 70's. George Foreman is the man who made the man who you proclaim falsely as being the man in boxing.

Your ignorace is overwhelming. If Foreman fought Ali a hundred times he would lose at least ninety per cent of the time. Bottom line: that's the way their styles matchup.

[butterfly1964]

Your ignorace is overwhelming. If Foreman fought Ali a hundred times he would lose at least ninety per cent of the time. Bottom line: that's the way their styles matchup.

actually, if foreman fought ali a hundred times foreman would lose a hundred times.

[hellfire508]

Why would Ali lose 100 times?

[butterfly1964]

Why would Ali lose 100 times?

i mean foreman would lose a hundred times, haha, my mistake.

[Brassangel]

While a number of factors participated in Ali's overcoming one of the largest victories in the history of boxing, that's what made Ali the greatest. He had the uncanny ability to use every resource to his advantage.

1. It was 90 degrees in Zaire, so Ali let the bigger, slower Foreman chase him around the ring and punch himself out against the ropes. This probably caused Foreman to suffer at least a small case of dehydration, rendering his arms even less effective.

2. Foreman had only trained for a 4 round fight. To take advantage of this, Ali did just enough to survive the early goings (while scoring), and get to a much more comfortable position in the fight.

3. Ali's style was suited very well, even in the 70's, to fight a slow, cumbersome slugger. His hand speed, ability to disrupt a rhythm, and conditioning will almost always outlast a heavy, tree-trunk series of swings.

George Foreman should be in the top ten of all-time greats; possibly the top five. While it's very true that one clean shot could have ended it, I imagine that this was in Ali's mind as well. He knew that Foreman could bring the house down; that's what made Ali the best. He was the smartest, and most cunning fighter in the history of the sport.

[butterfly1964]

While a number of factors participated in Ali's overcoming one of the largest victories in the history of boxing, that's what made Ali the greatest. He had the uncanny ability to use every resource to his advantage.

1. It was 90 degrees in Zaire, so Ali let the bigger, slower Foreman chase him around the ring and punch himself out against the ropes.

2. Foreman had only trained for a 4 round fight. To take advantage of this, Ali did just enough to survive the early goings and get to a much more comfortably position in the fight to assume an offense of his own.

3. Ali's style was suited very well, even in the 70's, to fight a slow, cumbersome slugger. His hand speed, ability to disrupt a rhythm, and conditioning will almost always outlast a heavy, tree-trunk series of swings.

George Foreman should be in the top ten of all-time greats; possibly the top five. While it's very true that one clean shot could have ended it, I imagine that this was in Ali's mind as well. He knew that Foreman could bring the house down; that's what made Ali the best. He was the smartest, and most cunning fighter in the history of the sport.

he was also the fastest, and the most accurate.

[Brassangel]

In 1974, he was probably still the most accurate, although his speed had come down a notch. Even so, his hands were quick enough to follow through with a perfect game plan against Big George.