George Foreman, the Man who made the man that is falsely proclaimed as the man in box

[KidBlackie]

[[[name the hall of famers louis beat.]]]]
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Do your own homework kid. Ain't it time you crawled out of Ali's jockstrap and learned to walk?

[butterfly1964]

[[[name the hall of famers louis beat.]]]]
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Do your own homework kid. Ain't it time you crawled out of Ali's jockstrap and learned to walk?

well, since he couldn't answer my question, it proves my point.

[hellfire508]

[[[[Now - Please name the heavyweight with a better resume than Ali. I'll wait for you. I don't know any others that went 11-2-0 against hall of famers. I named the likes of Williams and Moore because they were big names.]]]]]
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Sure, JOE LOUIS, and I don't need 3 posts of nonsense like you do.

Ali was 11-3 against HOF fighters, not 11-2. Joe was 9-3, but Joe never got beat up by Leon Spinks either and has a better record and title record. The fact that you compare a fight with Leon to a fight with Marciano shows just how far you're sunk up Ali's bum.

And yeah, Moore was a big name, WAS being the operative word when Ali fought him, and NO, Williams was never that big of a name and no, NOBODY expected him to have a chance against Ali. Fact is that was a weak time in heavyweight boxing and Williams needed a paycheck so I don't begrudge Ali, but it was a joke fight. Now come on back and crack some more jokes about Ali. Funny fellow!

Please tell me the third fight Ali lost against a hall of famer? One against Norton, one against Frazier. Holmes isnt in there if that's what you're thinking.

And I'm not comparing Leon Spinks to Marciano. I'm just saying both fighters were at the end of their career - both shot - and therefore I don't necessarily count the losses for either of them. I never complain when someone has Louis above Ali. As long as those two are first two - I don't care. So I dunno what you're talking about. BUT, everyone knows Louis' resume was nowhere near as good as Ali's. He didn't beat another top 10 heavyweight - whereas Ali went 5-1 with 3 of them.

And YES, Williams was a fairly big name at the time. He had two huge fights with Liston - and was often avoided pre-1965. Ali took the fight because he was not allowed to fight in most US states, and not many fighters wanted anything to do with him in the US. After Ali went through Europe to get some fights under his belt because of the political trouble in the US, he fought Williams, Folley and Terrell within a few months of each other - because he felt he would be banned shortly. I think it was under two months between Terrell and Folley. And obviously you are a hater if you seriously believe it was a weak period of heavyweights. Liston, Ali, Patterson, Terrell, Chuvalo, Bonavena, Frazier, Folley, Quarry, Ellis. Quite strong if you ask me. Infact - one of the strongest behind the 70s and 90s.

[hellfire508]

Oh and another thing - you say, "Louis never got beat up by Leon Spinks either". True - but Louis never fought when early symptoms of Parkinson's disease were emerging, and many doctors said there is no way Ali should fight. I won't even go into the Holmes fight health problems.

[butterfly1964]

Oh and another thing - you say, "Louis never got beat up by Leon Spinks either". True - but Louis never fought when early symptoms of Parkinson's disease were emerging, and many doctors said there is no way Ali should fight. I won't even go into the Holmes fight health problems.

nice job!!

[hellfire508]

well, since he couldn't answer my question, it proves my point.

Off the top of my head, I can only think of Louis being 8-3. But I'm not sure if there is more.

Braddock
Sharkey
Conn x2
Charles (loss)
Baer
Walcott x2
Schmelling 1-1
Marciano (loss)
Bivins

[Pugnacious_Z]

Foreman is Physically the greatest fighter God ever produced

[hellfire508]

You could be right. He was extremely gifted physically. I think Roy Jones is up there for most physically gifted.

However, I think Louis and Ali could beat Foreman in his prime. Holmes and Liston are borderline, I can never make up my mind.

[butterfly1964]

Foreman is Physically the greatest fighter God ever produced

no, maybe tyson is, but ali is the best nontheless!

[LondonRingRules]

~~~~~~~Please tell me the third fight Ali lost against a hall of famer? One against Norton, one against Frazier. Holmes isnt in there if that's what you're thinking.~~~~~~~~~

* The Holmes fight is in the record book and counts. You can keep your own record of Ali, only remembering the best and ignoring the controversies, the gifts, the sluggish performances, but the official record still stands.