George Foreman, the Man who made the man that is falsely proclaimed as the man in box

[butterfly1964]

** You're not credible because you lack context. You're a worshipper. Calling Ali the best conditioned fighter ever is a joke.

Wepner exposed Ali as shot. Gotta credit Ali for hanging in and perservering with ring generalship and help from the judges/ref in his post Foreman career.

Sorry, but I jumped off the Ali bandwagon years before he lost to Spinks. That's right, the "undisputed" self proclaimed greatest lost to Leon Spinks. I really can't think of a more pitiful heavyweight title performance except for maybe the Jack Johnson bout with Battling Johnson that even had the French holding their noses and booing or Liston taking a dive in their 2nd bout or Liston quitting on his stool in the 1st bout.

wepner did not expose ali. wepner was hit at will, and basically ali looked like the way he was in 1967! wepner couldn't hit him, unless ali went into the rope-a-dope. i really do not know where you get your information from.

[Dempsey1238]

Wepner did hit Ali IN EVEY ROUND of the 15 rounds.

Body shots, and a few head shot. and a LOT of Rabbit punchs I might add. Ali is not this untounchble God you make him out to be.

The thing about Weapner vs Ali, is Ali landed MORE punchs, and thown MORE punchs than Wepner.

[butterfly1964]

Wepner did hit Ali IN EVEY ROUND of the 15 rounds.

Body shots, and a few head shot. and a LOT of Rabbit punchs I might add. Ali is not this untounchble God you make him out to be.

The thing about Weapner vs Ali, is Ali landed MORE punchs, and thown MORE punchs than Wepner.

he did land a few punches, but ali was not exposed as this guy said. that was a rather easy title defense for muhammad.

[Heckler]

** You're not credible because you lack context. You're a worshipper. Calling Ali the best conditioned fighter ever is a joke.

Wepner exposed Ali as shot. Gotta credit Ali for hanging in and perservering with ring generalship and help from the judges/ref in his post Foreman career.

Sorry, but I jumped off the Ali bandwagon years before he lost to Spinks. That's right, the "undisputed" self proclaimed greatest lost to Leon Spinks. I really can't think of a more pitiful heavyweight title performance except for maybe the Jack Johnson bout with Battling Johnson that even had the French holding their noses and booing or Liston taking a dive in their 2nd bout or Liston quitting on his stool in the 1st bout.

Listen, ***** im not an Ali fanboy. I think hes the greatest of all time but i acknowledge his faults and accept that he COULD be beaten. The most conditioned in regard to being able to absorb punishment inflicted on the body. Please show me another fighter that has able to absorb so much punishment. Part of it was sheer determination and heart but the other was brilliant body conditioning. Ali shouldnt of been ****en fighting past 1975, and yeah Ali left most of his ability in the ring that night against Frazier. The fight against spinks means NOTHING, he was a shot fighter, he shouldn't of been in the ring AT ALL.... the fact that you would use that loss against him in a debate is ****en pathetic

Wepner did not drop Ali legitimately, and that is widely accepted among non-rockyfanboys and sportswriters. If Foreman couldn't do it, this guy didn't stand a ****en chance. Ali was alot of things, Arrogant and sometimes cruel... but he wasn't a liar.

[hellfire508]

Ali was shot against Wepner. He looked awful. He looked awful against Lyle. He looked awful against Young. Etc.

Secondly - Ali losing to Spinks means absolutely nothing. Nobody takes it into account - like the Holmes and Berbick bouts. Same goes for Robinson, Louis, Tyson...etc...all lost at the shot end of their careers...nobody really cares.

[hellfire508]

Heckler - It's ignorance like yours that annoys me. Sorry, I shouldn't say it that harshly - as I agree with almost everything you said until the end. Good job up until then.

When you say, "if Foreman couldn't do it, then this guy didnt stand a chance.." That is ludicrous. Just because George is the hardest hitter ever, doesn't mean Wepner couldn't drop Ali. Did Cooper or Banks hit harder than George? Ali was green when he fought these two - not so much Cooper - but was dropped nonetheless. Knockdowns aren't all about power. It's like saying, Schmelling KO'd Louis - so Foreman, Frazier, Tyson, Lewis etc. could too.

[butterfly1964]

Ali was shot against Wepner. He looked awful. He looked awful against Lyle. He looked awful against Young. Etc.

Secondly - Ali losing to Spinks means absolutely nothing. Nobody takes it into account - like the Holmes and Berbick bouts. Same goes for Robinson, Louis, Tyson...etc...all lost at the shot end of their careers...nobody really cares.

i wouldn't say he was shot against wepner. he basically embarrased the bayonne bleeder.

[butterfly1964]

Heckler - It's ignorance like yours that annoys me. Sorry, I shouldn't say it that harshly - as I agree with almost everything you said until the end. Good job up until then.

When you say, "if Foreman couldn't do it, then this guy didnt stand a chance.." That is ludicrous. Just because George is the hardest hitter ever, doesn't mean Wepner couldn't drop Ali. Did Cooper or Banks hit harder than George? Ali was green when he fought these two - not so much Cooper - but was dropped nonetheless. Knockdowns aren't all about power. It's like saying, Schmelling KO'd Louis - so Foreman, Frazier, Tyson, Lewis etc. could too.

ali was young, small and inexperienced back then. no way wepner could drop ali.

[hellfire508]

ali was young, small and inexperienced back then. no way wepner could drop ali.

Butterfly - would you think Young could drop Foreman? Of course Wepner could drop Ali. Any fighter can drop any fighter. This is boxing. The knockdown was NOT legitimate, but it doesn't mean Ali couldnt be dropped. What about against Frazier? Was Ali inexperienced then? Ali could be dropped. He was not a unhittable, god you portray him to be. He is my favourite fighter, but I am objective when it comes to him.

[hellfire508]

i wouldn't say he was shot against wepner. he basically embarrased the bayonne bleeder.

Let me put it this way. He wasn't totally shot. But he was nearly there. He made Wepner look like **** because he was ****. In all of the fights - except Frazier III - after Foreman, Ali looked pretty crap. He was gone. Have you seen Ali-LyLe? Its proably Ali's most sluggish and **** performance except for Spinks, Holmes etc.