George Foreman, the Man who made the man that is falsely proclaimed as the man in box

[bud.rud]

wow

You guys make too many excuses. Both sides of the fence. You also fail to realize that its pointless to be making all these "what-if"s. point is, whats done is done, and whatever "could" have happened or "would" have happened (by each of your owns opinions) has not happened and will never happen now that they're all retired and incapable of fighting. You guys get too caught up in your own fantasies that foreman would have won. Well he didnt. Given a rematch noone knows what the outcome would have been. And who cares how he's the Greatest, somehow someway Ali is widely accepted as the Greatest. Whats done is done and cant be undone. Please stop with the what-ifs and excuses. By stating all this im not saying ali is any greater than foreman just because he beat him. That day he was. Any given day someone can have your number. Sometimes its takes 100 days. Thats just the way the world works. And you cant change the past or magically predict things by what you think you know about a situation.
Anyway, give it up and accept the current state of the world as it is. Given different circumstances and a different president we may not be in Iraq right now but we are. Give up the hopes and dreams of changing the past.

and btw, im totally non partisan when it comes to boxers. i dont care how good they say ali is. if he wins he wins, loses he loses but many (and i mean many) will always tell you Ali is the greatest. for some reason these MANY people see this. accept it. dont have to say Ali is the greatest but at least dont go flaming him when you have no proof of whether or no george foreman would have beat him given different circumstances because guess what-- the circumstances of that fight are what they are and there will never be another one to prove/disprove any of you guys.

just trying to shed some light (not saying i did) but i hope you guys can take something from this (especially the imaginary fights stuff--they wont happen and they definitely dont stand as proof of anything)
THANKS!

[butterfly1964]

You guys make too many excuses. Both sides of the fence. You also fail to realize that its pointless to be making all these "what-if"s. point is, whats done is done, and whatever "could" have happened or "would" have happened (by each of your owns opinions) has not happened and will never happen now that they're all retired and incapable of fighting. You guys get too caught up in your own fantasies that foreman would have won. Well he didnt. Given a rematch noone knows what the outcome would have been. And who cares how he's the Greatest, somehow someway Ali is widely accepted as the Greatest. Whats done is done and cant be undone. Please stop with the what-ifs and excuses. By stating all this im not saying ali is any greater than foreman just because he beat him. That day he was. Any given day someone can have your number. Sometimes its takes 100 days. Thats just the way the world works. And you cant change the past or magically predict things by what you think you know about a situation.
Anyway, give it up and accept the current state of the world as it is. Given different circumstances and a different president we may not be in Iraq right now but we are. Give up the hopes and dreams of changing the past.

and btw, im totally non partisan when it comes to boxers. i dont care how good they say ali is. if he wins he wins, loses he loses but many (and i mean many) will always tell you Ali is the greatest. for some reason these MANY people see this. accept it. dont have to say Ali is the greatest but at least dont go flaming him when you have no proof of whether or no george foreman would have beat him given different circumstances because guess what-- the circumstances of that fight are what they are and there will never be another one to prove/disprove any of you guys.

just trying to shed some light (not saying i did) but i hope you guys can take something from this (especially the imaginary fights stuff--they wont happen and they definitely dont stand as proof of anything)
THANKS!

nice post!

[Brassangel]

I agree. This certainly displays similar pent-up responses lingering in the souls of us all.

On the other side of the plate, however, is the fact that this forum is 75% speculation, which means opinions and undocumented proofs have to emerge from time-to-time. Chances are, that won't stop no matter how brilliant your post is.

[bud.rud]

Oh yea... something i was thinking about in the shower (my best thoughts tend to come there). Just a recap kinda thought.
To say anyone is the greatest boxer ever is speculation and largely just opinion. No one will ever know who is the greatest boxer ever as you would have had to pit each boxer against all the reputable names in boxing about 100 times each to get a nice probability (in which would, in a lot of cases, still lead to more speculation) to show who would be the greatest ever. And as you can obviously tell this is impossible for many reasons. (if you need me to explain them to you please grab a fork and jam it into your forehead).
So to say anyone is the greatest is obviously just opinion and will never be fact. Reason why people say Ali is the greatest=mass majority opinion tends to lean towards Ali being the greatest. Thats all. And yes i know these comparisons are going to be inevitable because its human nature to figure out what is UNKNOWN to them.
And the point of my post isnt an attempt to end these comparisons but to try to convince people to at least be wiser about the assumptions and reearch before they make bold statements.

[supaduck]

Ali was better than Foreman. Foreman is still a top 5 heavyweight of all time though.

The excuse of the 100 degree heat is ******, because Ali had to put up with it as well.

[bud.rud]

The excuse of the 100 degree heat is ******, because Ali had to put up with it as well.

Exactly the point im trying to make. These excuses hold no credibility.

[supaduck]

The only advantage Ali had was the support of the African people. If George took badly to this, all that does is make me question his heart. Still, his annihilation of Joe Frazier alone makes him one of my favourite boxers ever.

[moondog0]

theres SupaDuck praising Ali again, Ali self proclaimed himself the greatest from his first fight, no know one else has ever done that , that's why millions of ignorant fans who only watch the sport once every five years holler he's the best. Foreman made him, he sure wan't made by Liston or Frazier...

[butterfly1964]

theres SupaDuck praising Ali again, Ali self proclaimed himself the greatest from his first fight, no know one else has ever done that , that's why millions of ignorant fans who only watch the sport once every five years holler he's the best. Foreman made him, he sure wan't made by Liston or Frazier...

foreman made him? another idotic post. number one ali made ali, nobody else did. second, there are many reasons people say he's the greatest. some say cause he was smart and mastered the mind games. some people said cause he fought and beat the best competition, and some people like me say he was the greatest because his prime talents were unmatched by any fighter in history, so that would make the foreman win insignificant really, cause ali didn't fight foreman in his prime.

[sweeetscience]

Ali/foreman

foreman made him? another idotic post. number one ali made ali, nobody else did. second, there are many reasons people say he's the greatest. some say cause he was smart and mastered the mind games. some people said cause he fought and beat the best competition, and some people like me say he was the greatest because his prime talents were unmatched by any fighter in history, so that would make the foreman win insignificant really, cause ali didn't fight foreman in his prime.

AS much as I believe there has been too much Ali hype over the years There can be no mistake Ali in his prime was the greatest of that era. The second half of Ali's carrer commanded great fights but he was not the Ali of old. As for Big George...well it appears he won in the end and it couldn'r happen to a better guy.
I remembe the build up to that fight in Ziare.. After looking at a picture of a scowling Goerge I thought Ali was dead....and then.....