Do You Classify Joe Louis As Slow Feet, Fast Hands

[Docholiday]

Maybe not as slow as he looked. I believe it was his lack of intelligence in the ring that made Louis perhaps look slower than he was. He really was a low IQ individual as shown in his fights with Billy Conn and Joe Walcott. Outside the ring wasn't any better with all of his Tax issues.

[joseph5620]

I don't believe he was slow with his feet. If he was he would not have been able to cut off the ring as well a he did.

[joseph5620]

[QUOTE=Willie Pep 229;n32514118]

This is what you said "- - Pea trained by ol slo DumDuva was walking into southpaw Jose Luis Ramirez left hooks to the liver all night." Right? Im asking what rounds? I watched the fight live and I rewatched it yesterday. You're making things up, lying. If not tell us the rounds. That fight was a whitewash by Whitaker. Nearly a shutout and one of the biggest robberies in boxing g history. Pea made Ramirez look silly.[/QUOTE]

I hate that point . . . Wiggling your azz, sticking your tongue out while jumping around, without engaging, isn't great defense. It's a clown act.

The only fighter who looked silly was Pee Wee himself.

From these comments it's pretty obvious that you never watched that fight

[Willie Pep 229]

Maybe not as slow as he looked. I believe it was his lack of intelligence in the ring that made Louis perhaps look slower than he was. He really was a low IQ individual as shown in his fights with Billy Conn and Joe Walcott. Outside the ring wasn't any better with all of his Tax issues.

Funny but Billy Conn also used Uncle Mike Jacobs as his promoter and when the war came in 1942 both men were deeply in trouble with the IRS.

Do you really think it fair to call a fighter s-tupid because he got robbed by a promoter?

I suspect you'll find few who weren't robbed.

[Biledriver]

From these comments it's pretty obvious that you never watched that fight

Check out Willie's posts in the Lounge and you'll discover what his real problem with Sweet Pee was.

[Willie Pep 229]

When you got nothing, yell racist.

[JAB5239]

Funny but Billy Conn also used Uncle Mike Jacobs as his promoter and when the war came in 1942 both men were deeply in trouble with the IRS.

Do you really think it fair to call a fighter s-tupidafter decades of r because he got robbed by a promoter?

I suspect you'll find few who weren't robbed.

Hell, fighters are still signing with Don King today after decades of King King ripping fighters off.

[joseph5620]

[QUOTE=Biledriver;n32514291]

Check out Willie's posts in the Lounge and you'll discover what his real problem with Sweet Pee was.

Oh, I'm well aware. He thinks people can't see though it.

[joseph5620]

[QUOTE=Willie Pep 229;n32514131]

You are correct I am stuck on it. No respect. Never!

These men are all warriors and guys like you, for a reason I will never understand, allow these disgusting, disrespectful fighters, not to only get away with it, but you praise them.

(Insert me spitting on the ground here.)

RESPECT --> a lost American culture. Being disrespectful is the new American way.

Since when has America been free of disrespect? You sound ridiculous.

If you can't appreciate the greatness of Pernell Whitaker because of your personal feelings about him, that speaks for itself about you. There is nothing that he did in the ring to justify that type of hate. Unless you have other issues which you clearly do.

[Dr Z]

I said with a few outliers. A couple of guys moved. Other than Conn and Walcott--what? I am now to be challenged on the basis of two guys who moved. Other than Conn none of them moved like many fighters move today. A lot of boxers do not have traditional skills of defense, so they run. And no one at all ever moved like Walcott. But the thing is Walcott was very near always in range. He never moved far. His movement usually consisted of body movement and a few steps. Then once in a while he would do his Walcott walkaway move and get entirely out of range for a few moments.

To me the tell tell sign of bullshit is that people keep insisting he had fast feet without offering a single fcking example like I have been asking for for years. I hate to have to say that. The mindless defense of heroes around here boggles.

I say people ought to bring a little evidence beyond their wagging lips if they purport to believe something controversial that others misunderstand. I have evidence--all the fights of his I have seen. Where is theirs? Oh, I am supposed to look up their evidence for them. Maybe if they showed proof I would relent or admit I was wrong. I'll tell you this, it had better be convincing evidence, not a few moments of fking around.

Joe Louis could barely handle Conn because Billy moved like a fighter should against Louis. No other fighter did that. There is not a single person here other than known consensus halfwits who figure Louis would beat Ali. Louis had to wait for Conn to get tired. That is all he could do against a good runner, stand there and wait. Ali would actually be gesturing for the ref to stop the slaughter, which eventually would. Louis would be an easy mark for Ali. He would not even be much of a challenge with those lead feet on him. Liston had faster feet, At least he was able to chase Ali.

It was not Conn or Walcott who moved very well. Louis struggled vs merely good movers or looked very bad / lost vs Pastor, Schemling, and Godoy. The first Godoy fight...well score it for yourself. Louis' personal professional ref, Art Donovan made sure he did not lose that one.

I think you can learn well enough if I provide evedience you seek.