ABC org and Vit Klit lovers and Lewis haters...

[Marchegiano]

I'm not sure what the point of the ratings lists are in this thread but whatever, I don't think any list maker needs much prompt to get to making the lists. Which, BTW, is a tradition older than ratings. The lists of good men are what inspired ratings to exist in the first place. I always just feel like I'm carrying on with boxing culture, which is good enough reason tbh. Just saying, Don't get the point.



2000-2025

1. Usyk
2. Wlad
3. Joshua
4. Lewis
5. Fury
6. Vitali
7. Byrd
8. Wilder
9. RJJ
10. Haye
11. Valuev
12. Ruiz
13. Holyfield
14. Ruiz
15. Dubois
16. Parker
17. Tua
18. Briggs
19. Chagaev
20. Sanders
21. Ibragimov
22. Rahman
23. Peter
24. Maskaev
25. Liakhovich
26. Brewster
27. Stiverne
28. Povetkin
29. Chambers
30. Hunter

I did 30 then noticed Z only did half that and Willow did 50 but opened it to 90s. so 30 in the era asked is actually just fine.

[Marchegiano]

Nh bro, not even I can tell you why Byrd so ****ing high.

[JAB5239]

You want me to explain the word MAY?

Well the WBC did not order this match to happen. Got it now?

No more, your hater teeth are showing...

May I see you 2000-2025 heavyweight rankings as I have listed here? Show them please. Why do I get the feeling you won't.

No I want you to explain why vits claimed he wouldn't be ready to fight, but as soon as Rahman announced another fight he miraculously was able to make a different fight? I want you to explain why you think it's ok the WBA didn't follow their own rules. If you believe Lewis ducked Vits after beating him and deciding to retire and stay that way, you must also believe Vits ducked Rahman, no? This wasn't just postponed once, it was over and over with different excuses every time. Vitaly didn't conduct himself as a champion, that much is obvious. And the WBC wouldn't even follow their own rules. The who situation was pathetic.

What we me posting a list have to do with the topic at hand? Absolutely nothing, that's what. You just want to deviate from the road your on because you know it leads to either saying Vits ducked or Lewis didn't. Pick your poison.

[Dr Z]

JAB5239

WBA Or WBC? And the word MAY.

Vitali had many WBC title fights. Yes, Lewis who tried to make a match with Roy Jones post Vtiali ducked the rematch that the WBC ordered!

You are scared to produce a list,but you participated in a combat match at 50+ years of age?

[JAB5239]

JAB5239

WBA Or WBC? And the word MAY.

Vitali had many WBC title fights. Yes, Lewis who tried to make a match with Roy Jones post Vtiali ducked the rematch that the WBC ordered!

You are scared to produce a list,but you participated in a combat match at 50+ years of age?

This thread isn't about lists, and it's obvious you're going to avoid the whole premise of this thread. Not surprising though to be honest. If you avoid the facts you can keep the image of Vits being a "true warrior " even though he ducked Rahman, only fought one eastern euro ranked in the Top 10, quit against Byrd and never rematched even though it could have given him the lineal championship, and missed 28 top ten fighters during his time active. I just want to know why he didn't fight Rahman though. And don't go on about injuries. He was deathly enough to make a fight as soon as Rahman announced he he signed to fight another fighter...after five postponements.

[JAB5239]

Did Vitali ever work with King?

Yep. At least one time I know of against Peter. Wlad also worked with King on a few occasions.

[Willow The Wisp]

I'm not sure what the point of the ratings lists are in this thread but whatever, I don't think any list maker needs much prompt to get to making the lists. Which, BTW, is a tradition older than ratings. The lists of good men are what inspired ratings to exist in the first place. I always just feel like I'm carrying on with boxing culture, which is good enough reason tbh. Just saying, Don't get the point.



2000-2025

1. Usyk
2. Wlad
3. Joshua
4. Lewis
5. Fury
6. Vitali
7. Byrd
8. Wilder
9. RJJ
10. Haye
11. Valuev
12. Ruiz
13. Holyfield
14. Ruiz
15. Dubois
16. Parker
17. Tua
18. Briggs
19. Chagaev
20. Sanders
21. Ibragimov
22. Rahman
23. Peter
24. Maskaev
25. Liakhovich
26. Brewster
27. Stiverne
28. Povetkin
29. Chambers
30. Hunter

I did 30 then noticed Z only did half that and Willow did 50 but opened it to 90s. so 30 in the era asked is actually just fine.

I can field that one. All posters contribute in their own style, as we might expect is the case. I produced my list as a means of conveying my thoughts, as a frequent concert goer, regarding the relative merits of the fighters being mentioned here.
If nothing else, to serve as a brief departure from accretions about management strategies and career decisions being reflected as "ducks", and various other pissing contests.

Lewis retired as an older gentleman while still in possession of the one historical world championship. Well done, I say. The decision to do so is one of several aspects of his career that make him an ATG.

[JAB5239]

Just to clarify, I see some King fighters I know of on V's resume but when I check if it was a DK fight, King's not listed.

Byrd and Adamek were not with King for Vitali. I'm not sure Vitali ever worked with King. He may have simply been leary of that promoter.



As far as I know the K2 boys are fairly shrewd.



While I do doubt Vitali was scared of Hasim, also, I kinda think Rahman might win that fight. ****, i thought he might beat Wlad though too. I may be too Rahman friendly.

TBF, Rahman's entire career is kill or be killed and Wlad had been not too distantly in the past dropped by less heavy hands. He hadn't shown a consistent ability to stay safe yet. Or I hadn't noticed it would be more accurate probably.

I know Ruiz shut him down but Quiet Man gets no respect because his style was sleepy not really because he ******. the x2 and often cheated HW was a better clinch artist than any. On stalling you out, I'd put Ruiz ahead of k2 and Johnson. Best to ever stall them out. So, for me, the Ruiz loss isn't really as telling as it should be.

I didn't realize Wlad was finna join Ruiz style clinching with Lewis style jab. Hell, Larry style at time. Larry/Lewey jab with Ruiz stalls ... murder ... but I didn't know yet.




Anyway, love that we're in a period of history I lived and wasn't just like 8 or some such. I remember TF out of Rahman-Ruiz. ****, I didn't even expect the east. I thought the names were going to be Rahman and Ruiz ffs. Well, tbh, and Toney. my B.

Vits had to work with King for the Sam Peter fight.

[JAB5239]

Oh **** **** me Will I just got it.

Some time's I'm slow and ******



Z's attempting to get at the criteria before the principle is resolved. It's really neither here nor there just more a thought process.



You were plain, I was just dumb. My bad.

Criteria for what though? While threads evolve over time this one hasn't even gotten started on its original purpose which is why does Lewis get accused of ducking, even though he won and retired, but a certain faction of posters that do this simply ignore Vits completely avoiding Rahman and the turd org know as the WBC sat by breaking there own rules and allowing it to happen. That's all I'm trying to get at. If he wants list and criteria he should start another thread instead of trying to hijack this one. Wisp made a list and that cool, but he idnt the one accusing Lennox of ducking a rematch with Klitschko.

[QueensburyRules]

Vits had to work with King for the Sam Peter fight.

- - King was forced by WBC to fight Vit or be stripped of Peter's title.

Lewie retired the day before he was due to be stripped by WBC, so what grade U in back then?