ABC org and Vit Klit lovers and Lewis haters...

[Coverdale]

Klitschko fans have always hung on to this idea that Lewis was 'scared' of a rematch.

[Willie Pep 229]

We have been over this before. Lewis said on air and to the press he would give a rematch. The offer was there $$$ ..only when the WBC ordered a re-match or threatened to get strpiiped did Lewis retire. NO double standards unless another fighter did the same.


You would pick VK over Fury who was dropped and fought to a draw on my card vs an 0-0 fighter, or Wilder who is massively overrated by his fans? Okay, you are entitled to an odd opinion.

No double standard.

On Monday the man said I am ready for a rematch.

On Tuesday morning his body ached so, that he knew he was done, so he retired.

To change his mind and STAY retired is not duplicty. It's called a realization of reality.

RE the bold above. So what! He said it in an intervew and you announce to us that it's engraved in stone. Nonsense!

[Dr Z]

Again, you have not addressed a single thing about Vits ducking Rahman and the WBC breaking their own rules. Lewis said before the fight he was going to retire. Why is it OK to change his mind about that, but not change his mind again? Double standards.

Yes, I did. He was injured and had to pull out of the fight ( injury confirmed ), then retired. He took a 4 year break to focus on Ukrainian Politics, eventually becoming the mayor of Kyiv.

Now unless you have another fighter that did the same there is no double standard. They are 1,000's fighters who pulled out of fighters due to injury and 100's of examples of when the fight never materialized.

When Vitali returned to boxing, Rhaman's status declined greatly and the demand for the match 4+ years later was gone.

Your hater teeth are showing.

The WBC ordered a re-match of Vitali vs. Lewis . Lewis said he give the re-match, but when the $$$ was up and the world anxious to see the fight, he retired.


We have been over this before.

[JAB5239]

Klitschko fans have always hung on to this idea that Lewis was 'scared' of a rematch.

As already pointed out, it's doubtful fighters are scared....especially when they've already won. I just feel that if that particular fan base is going to always point fingers at Lewis, than the need to explain the Vits-Rahman situation and the corrupt WBC breaking their own rules and allowing it to happen. And I'm not talking about just scratching the surface. It's easy to say Vits was injured. Maybe, maybe not. What they won't explain is why he couldn't be ready to fight on a particular date and when Rahman announced he'd be fighting someone else Vits miraculously was able to make an easier fight than his mandatory in Hasim Rahman?

Me? I think certain fighters troubled Vits and he knew it and didn't want to look bad. His career was carefully mapped out to avoid the speedbumps of Opponents that may make him look less than stellar. This is why I my opinion he never tried to avenge the loss to Byrd.

[JAB5239]

Yes, I did. He was injured and had to pull out of the fight ( injury confirmed ), then retired. He took a 4 year break to focus on Ukrainian Politics, eventually becoming the mayor of Kyiv.

Now unless you have another fighter that did the same there is no double standard. They are 1,000's fighters who pulled out of fighters due to injury and 100's of examples of when the fight never materialized.

When Vitali returned to boxing, Rhaman's status declined greatly and the demand for the match 4+ years later was gone.

Your hater teeth are showing.

The WBC ordered a re-match of Vitali vs. Lewis . Lewis said he give the re-match, but when the $$$ was up and the world anxious to see the fight, he retired.


We have been over this before.

Explain this....

Klitschko agrees in February 2005 to make a mandatory defense against Rahman on April 30, 2005, at New York’s Madison Square Garden.

The April 30, 2005, meeting is rescheduled to June 18, 2005, after Vitali suffers what is called a “thigh injury” while jogging.

Klitschko re-schedules this mandatory defense to July 23, 2005, claiming his thigh did not respond to treatment.

The July 23, 2005, re-scheduling is postponed yet again after Klitschko claims his thigh injury has spread to his back.

Klitschko undergoes what his handlers refer to as “minor back surgery,” on April 19, 2005.

“WBC Rule 1.27 Inactivity of a Champion” states: “When a world champion is:
inactive for more than six (6) months but less than one (1) year, for certified medical reasons, or for whatever legal impediment or other reason beyond his control is unable to defend his championship within the time periods prescribed by the Rules and Regulations, the WBC may determine an interim champion pursuant to Rule 1.25 hereof.”

Don King Productions successfully petitions the WBC in May 2005 to sanction for its interim heavyweight championship on Aug. 13, 2005, the match between WBC No. 1-ranked mandatory challenger Hasim Rahman and WBC No. 2-ranked, and No. 2 mandatory challenger, Monte “Two Gunz” Barrett pursuant to WBC Rule 1.27.

Don King implores Klitschko to face Rahman on Aug. 13, avoiding the necessity of the interim championship bout. Klitschko claims he cannot be ready to fight by Aug. 13. After Rahman and Barrett sign to fight each other, it is leaked to the media that Klitschko suddenly recovers to the extent that he is fit to fight on HBO Sept. 24.

Klitschko’s hand-picked opponent, Oleg Maskaev, is subsequently rejected by HBO as a suitable opponent according to media reports.

[Willow The Wisp]

Time for a ranking list

1990 - 2025 Heavyweights
35 years of the Big Boys in Boxing

1. Lennox Lewis, UK
2. Wladimir Klitschko, UKR
3. Oleksandr Usyk, UKR
4. Tyson Fury, UK
5. Evander Holyfield, US
6. Mike Tyson, US
7. Riddock Bowe, US (sp)
8. Deontay Wilder, US
9. Anthony Joshua, UK
10. Zhilei Zhang, CHI
11. Ike Ibeabuchi, NIG
12. Vitali Klitschko, UKR
13. George Foreman, US
14. Joseph Parker, NZ
15. Daniel Dubois, UK
16. Larry Holmes, US
17. David Tua, AUS
18. Frank Bruno, UK
19. Oliver McCall, US
20. Andrew Golota, POL
21. Hasim Rahman, US
22. Chris Byrd, US
23. Shannon Briggs, US
24. Andy Ruiz Jr, US
25. Luis Ortiz, CUB
26. Tommy Morrison, US
27. Donovan Razor Ruddock, Canada
28. Alexander Povetkin, RUS
29. Dillian Whyte, UK
30. Michael Moorer, US
31. Joe Joyce, UK
32. Agit Kabayel, GER
33. Ray Mercer, US
34. Corrie Sanders, SA
35. Jarrell Miller, US
36. Ruslan Chagaev, UZB
37. David Haye, UK
38. Sultan Ibragimov, RUS
39. Lamon Brewster, US
40. Kubrat Pulev, BUL
41. Chris Arreola, US
42. Filip Hrgovic, CRO
43. Derrick Chisora, UK
44. Larry Donald, US
45. Tony Tucker, US
46. Roy Jones Jr., US
47. John Ruiz, US
48. Martin Bakole, CON
49. Alex Stewart, US
50. Charles Martin, US

[QueensburyRules]

Time for a ranking list

1990 - 2025 Heavyweights
35 years of the Big Boys in Boxing

1. Lennox Lewis, UK
2. Wladimir Klitschko, UKR
3. Oleksandr Usyk, UKR
4. Tyson Fury, UK
5. Evander Holyfield, US
6. Mike Tyson, US
7. Riddock Bowe, US (sp)
8. Deontay Wilder, US
9. Anthony Joshua, UK
10. Zhilei Zhang, CHI
11. Ike Ibeabuchi, NIG
12. Vitali Klitschko, UKR
13. George Foreman, US
14. Joseph Parker, NZ
15. Daniel Dubois, UK
16. Larry Holmes, US
17. David Tua, AUS
18. Frank Bruno, UK
19. Oliver McCall, US
20. Andrew Golota, POL
21. Hasim Rahman, US
22. Chris Byrd, US
23. Shannon Briggs, US
24. Andy Ruiz Jr, US
25. Luis Ortiz, CUB
26. Tommy Morrison, US
27. Donovan Razor Ruddock, Canada
28. Alexander Povetkin, RUS
29. Dillian Whyte, UK
30. Michael Moorer, US
31. Joe Joyce, UK
32. Agit Kabayel, GER
33. Ray Mercer, US
34. Corrie Sanders, SA
35. Jarrell Miller, US
36. Ruslan Chagaev, UZB
37. David Haye, UK
38. Sultan Ibragimov, RUS
39. Lamon Brewster, US
40. Kubrat Pulev, BUL
41. Chris Arreola, US
42. Filip Hrgovic, CRO
43. Derrick Chisora, UK
44. Larry Donald, US
45. Tony Tucker, US
46. Roy Jones Jr., US
47. John Ruiz, US
48. Martin Bakole, CON
49. Alex Stewart, US
50. Charles Martin, US

- - Man, that's some kinda sled dog nose to a n a l lineup.

Clearly Wlad and then Vit the top heavies with the rest debatable...simples...!!!

[JAB5239]

Time for a ranking list

1990 - 2025 Heavyweights
35 years of the Big Boys in Boxing

1. Lennox Lewis, UK
2. Wladimir Klitschko, UKR
3. Oleksandr Usyk, UKR
4. Tyson Fury, UK
5. Evander Holyfield, US
6. Mike Tyson, US
7. Riddock Bowe, US (sp)
8. Deontay Wilder, US
9. Anthony Joshua, UK
10. Zhilei Zhang, CHI
11. Ike Ibeabuchi, NIG
12. Vitali Klitschko, UKR
13. George Foreman, US
14. Joseph Parker, NZ
15. Daniel Dubois, UK
16. Larry Holmes, US
17. David Tua, AUS
18. Frank Bruno, UK
19. Oliver McCall, US
20. Andrew Golota, POL
21. Hasim Rahman, US
22. Chris Byrd, US
23. Shannon Briggs, US
24. Andy Ruiz Jr, US
25. Luis Ortiz, CUB
26. Tommy Morrison, US
27. Donovan Razor Ruddock, Canada
28. Alexander Povetkin, RUS
29. Dillian Whyte, UK
30. Michael Moorer, US
31. Joe Joyce, UK
32. Agit Kabayel, GER
33. Ray Mercer, US
34. Corrie Sanders, SA
35. Jarrell Miller, US
36. Ruslan Chagaev, UZB
37. David Haye, UK
38. Sultan Ibragimov, RUS
39. Lamon Brewster, US
40. Kubrat Pulev, BUL
41. Chris Arreola, US
42. Filip Hrgovic, CRO
43. Derrick Chisora, UK
44. Larry Donald, US
45. Tony Tucker, US
46. Roy Jones Jr., US
47. John Ruiz, US
48. Martin Bakole, CON
49. Alex Stewart, US
50. Charles Martin, US

Always love your lists!!! I think I'd put Fury behind Holyfield. Was thinking Usyk as well, but he just keep moving the needle in a positive way.

[Willow The Wisp]

- - Man, that's some kinda sled dog nose to a n a l lineup.

Clearly Wlad and then Vit the top heavies with the rest debatable...simples...!!!

Lol....you may be right. But 31 of those seen live and up close, so Ive got my opinions deeply embedded.
You?

It's all just a subjective thang my serendipitous brah.

[Dr Z]

Explain this....

Klitschko agrees in February 2005 to make a mandatory defense against Rahman on April 30, 2005, at New York’s Madison Square Garden.

The April 30, 2005, meeting is rescheduled to June 18, 2005, after Vitali suffers what is called a “thigh injury” while jogging.

Klitschko re-schedules this mandatory defense to July 23, 2005, claiming his thigh did not respond to treatment.

The July 23, 2005, re-scheduling is postponed yet again after Klitschko claims his thigh injury has spread to his back.

Klitschko undergoes what his handlers refer to as “minor back surgery,” on April 19, 2005.

“WBC Rule 1.27 Inactivity of a Champion” states: “When a world champion is:
inactive for more than six (6) months but less than one (1) year, for certified medical reasons, or for whatever legal impediment or other reason beyond his control is unable to defend his championship within the time periods prescribed by the Rules and Regulations, the WBC may determine an interim champion pursuant to Rule 1.25 hereof.”

Don King Productions successfully petitions the WBC in May 2005 to sanction for its interim heavyweight championship on Aug. 13, 2005, the match between WBC No. 1-ranked mandatory challenger Hasim Rahman and WBC No. 2-ranked, and No. 2 mandatory challenger, Monte “Two Gunz” Barrett pursuant to WBC Rule 1.27.

Don King implores Klitschko to face Rahman on Aug. 13, avoiding the necessity of the interim championship bout. Klitschko claims he cannot be ready to fight by Aug. 13. After Rahman and Barrett sign to fight each other, it is leaked to the media that Klitschko suddenly recovers to the extent that he is fit to fight on HBO Sept. 24.

Klitschko’s hand-picked opponent, Oleg Maskaev, is subsequently rejected by HBO as a suitable opponent according to media reports.

You want me to explain the word MAY?

Well the WBC did not order this match to happen. Got it now?

No more, your hater teeth are showing...

May I see you 2000-2025 heavyweight rankings as I have listed here? Show them please. Why do I get the feeling you won't.