The WBA didn't strip Lennox Lewis

[Marchegiano]

https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/WB...eight_Champion

[Bronson66]

I'm a little confused here,when did the WBA award their title to Lewis?

I don't see the WBA title in his resume,surely he would have to hold it before he could be stripped of it?

1999-11-13	242		Evander Holyfield	217	36 3 1		Thomas & Mack Center, Las Vegas	W-UD	12/12		event bout score wiki
ref: Mitch Halpern Chuck Giampa 116-112 Bill Graham 117-111 Jerry Roth 115-113 IBF World Heavy (supervisor: Walter Stone) IBO World Heavy (vacant) WBC World Heavy (supervisor: Edmund Lipinski) WBA?????

[billeau2]

Apparently Boxrec charges a fee to see any WBA information. They ambroiled in a fued with the WBA because the or is working with Fightfax, a rival site. Just would I could gather with a quick search.

Ahh those wonderful objective Alphabet soup organizations... Who needs the lineal? Let them charge us a membership along with the fighters! why not? These middle men all operate the same way, nothing has changed. Now they want to charge for what should be public information.

When Cable TV first came out (HBO) you paid for no commercials. You paid for the network. Now? These money grabbers want to carve out resources that belong to the fans and make people pay for them. Nobody ever paid a dime to declare the man the best who beats the best, except perhaps buying a round in the local brew pub, which used to be allowed to carry the fights before the money grubbers went after them and wanted to charge them a premium to do so.

[billeau2]

1999-11-13	242		Evander Holyfield	217	36 3 1		Thomas & Mack Center, Las Vegas	W-UD	12/12		event bout score wiki
ref: Mitch Halpern Chuck Giampa 116-112 Bill Graham 117-111 Jerry Roth 115-113 IBF World Heavy (supervisor: Walter Stone) IBO World Heavy (vacant) WBC World Heavy (supervisor: Edmund Lipinski) WBA?????

Dear Mr Bronson,

We at the WBDC have been informed you want information regarding our title holder. Please make a check for .10000 ******* to our organization and we will then allow you one question about our titles. You can also become a member for the discount price of .100 *******! In the meantime speaking about the organization, questions regarding title will be legally persecuted as a copyright violation! Keep in mind even using the name of one of our Title Holders more than 20 times a day is infringing on our business and will be noted....

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[Marchegiano]

Ahh those wonderful objective Alphabet soup organizations... Who needs the lineal? Let them charge us a membership along with the fighters! why not? These middle men all operate the same way, nothing has changed. Now they want to charge for what should be public information.

When Cable TV first came out (HBO) you paid for no commercials. You paid for the network. Now? These money grabbers want to carve out resources that belong to the fans and make people pay for them. Nobody ever paid a dime to declare the man the best who beats the best, except perhaps buying a round in the local brew pub, which used to be allowed to carry the fights before the money grubbers went after them and wanted to charge them a premium to do so.

Not sure how the WBA is to be blamed for Boxrec putting information behind a pay wall

Likewise, I do not see how Boxrec can be criticized by posters who exalt historians for putting information behind a pay wall. ... that's not really anything to do with you, but before they can, it's there.


Also, I do not understand why the perfectly free, perfectly boxrec, link, I left is being ignored. I know nothing of this paywall myself I'm just responding to what's being said. Boxrec's WBA coverage is very much still free and still boxrec.


https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/WB...eight_Champion




Super confused by Bronson pretending to not know Lewis was a WBA champion simply because Boxrec no longer lists the WBA on their records. But I am curious is that the WBA's fault as well?




What in lineal ensures a fighter can achieve anything in the sport with their in ring work alone and without any popularity what's so ever?

[Biledriver]

Because Lennox didn't need to strip as a side hustle? It's not like the WBC was going to get a lap dance out of it

[Bronson66]

Because Lennox didn't need to strip as a side hustle? It's not like the WBC was going to get a lap dance out of it

The WBA stripped Lewis of their title

Lewis was stripped after agreeing to fight WBC challenger Michael Grant instead of John Ruiz. Ruiz challenged this decision in court on the basis of a clause in the Lewis–Holyfield rematch contract which said Lewis's first bout as undisputed champion would be against the WBA's number one contender Lennox Lewis. What I want to know is . When did Lewis win the WBA title? Who did he win it from?	13 Nov 1999 – 12 Apr 2000

[JAB5239]

The WBA stripped Lewis of their title

LeLewis was stripped after agreeing to fight WBC challenger Michael Grant instead of John Ruiz. Ruiz challenged this decision in court on the basis of a clause in the Lewis–Holyfield rematch contract which said Lewis's first bout as undisputed champion would be against the WBA's number one contender Lennox Lewis. What I want to know is . When did Lewis win the WBA title? Who did he win it from?	13 Nov 1999 – 12 Apr 2000

Lewis won the WBA title from Holyfield in their second fight. Holyfield had previously won it from Tyson who won it from Seldon, who won the vacant title against Tony Tucker.

[billeau2]

Not sure how the WBA is to be blamed for Boxrec putting information behind a pay wall

Likewise, I do not see how Boxrec can be criticized by posters who exalt historians for putting information behind a pay wall. ... that's not really anything to do with you, but before they can, it's there.


Also, I do not understand why the perfectly free, perfectly boxrec, link, I left is being ignored. I know nothing of this paywall myself I'm just responding to what's being said. Boxrec's WBA coverage is very much still free and still boxrec.


https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/WB...eight_Champion




Super confused by Bronson pretending to not know Lewis was a WBA champion simply because Boxrec no longer lists the WBA on their records. But I am curious is that the WBA's fault as well?




What in lineal ensures a fighter can achieve anything in the sport with their in ring work alone and without any popularity what's so ever?

Much information that should be public domain has been put into paywall structures. If you pretend this isn't true then I don't know what to tell you.

The lineal isn't designed to necessarily reward the fighters. As a matter of fact if you think about it as a fighter, you're probably better off with multiple champion spots. The lineal is consensus fan opinion. It matters. You keep categorizing these different elements but the lineal is actually very simple. It is what it is.

It is not promotion. It is not for purposes of regulation. It is a lineage of title holders and the support of the fans behind continuing the best being displaced by the better.

[billeau2]

Not sure how the WBA is to be blamed for Boxrec putting information behind a pay wall

Likewise, I do not see how Boxrec can be criticized by posters who exalt historians for putting information behind a pay wall. ... that's not really anything to do with you, but before they can, it's there.


Also, I do not understand why the perfectly free, perfectly boxrec, link, I left is being ignored. I know nothing of this paywall myself I'm just responding to what's being said. Boxrec's WBA coverage is very much still free and still boxrec.


https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/WB...eight_Champion




Super confused by Bronson pretending to not know Lewis was a WBA champion simply because Boxrec no longer lists the WBA on their records. But I am curious is that the WBA's fault as well?




What in lineal ensures a fighter can achieve anything in the sport with their in ring work alone and without any popularity what's so ever?

I do bare some responsibility for comparing the integrity of the Lineal with the Alphabets... Ok fair enough... BUT I think the mechanism for heredity titles and subsequent hybrids like the lineal is a self correcting mechanism. It is hard to corrupt, not impossible, because there is more money in making fans believe it does nto exist... Tell fans they have no say in who is supreme and to get behind an "official title" is easier than trying to corrupt the simplicity of the Lineal mechanism.

Gaslighting works many times because it actually makes sense... Galileo WAS insane! He WAS only able to predict the location of Jupitor's moons some of the times... He also happened to be a genius, but how many of us would believe such a thing back when?

Its like Warloon used to do: "Bill is crazy" Well yeah... So is Queenie but our POV's are very different and some make sense... Or, "That Marg with his Greek stuff... " Usually uttered by those who cannot see the importance of Greek culture to our own boxing evolution.

Point being: Gaslighting fans telling them "that lineal stuff is fabulation!" is easy to do.