The WBA didn't strip Lennox Lewis

[Dr Z]

The reason for Lewis' forced vacation of the WBA belt is misunderstood. Using the wayback machine I have found the 6th March 2000 resolution granting an exception to fight Michael Grant (WBA #5) who was HBO's favoured next opponent for Lewis.

Lewis was ultimately forced to vacate the belt by court order after he unsuccessfully argued that the step aside clause in the Holyfield rematch contract specified Akinwande as the opponent (who was dropped from the rankings due to illness) rather than the WBA #1 who ended up being John Ruiz.

This was a pivotal moment in heavyweight history for a number of reasons:

1. It initiated a series of uninteresting fights between Holyfield and Ruiz for that particular belt.
2. The WBA implemented their despised 'super champion' (two-tier belt) policy soon after.
3. The WBA heavyweight title never really regained credibility until Klitschko won it from Haye in 2011.

THE WBC threatened to strip LEWIS and ordered a Klitschko rematch, which IMO is why he retired. With one belt left ( Lewis dropped his other belts by not facing Bryd and Ruiz ) Lewis was left with a choice.

He tried to make fights with Jones and Johnson post Vitail, but when the WBC ordered the re-match, which he knew he would likey lose, he retired.

[JAB5239]

THE WBC threatened to strip LEWIS and ordered a Klitschko rematch, which IMO is why he retired. With one belt left ( Lewis dropped his other belts by not facing Bryd and Ruiz ) Lewis was left with a choice.

He tried to make fights with Jones and Johnson post Vitail, but when the WBC ordered the re-match, which he knew he would likey lose, he retired.

Making stuff up again I see. Lewis said in an interview a few weeks before Johnson dropped out of their fight due to injury that he wanted one more fight and would retire. He said he wanted either Jones or Vits. He got Vits and ripped his face of to force the legendary TKO6 stoppage. No reason to go on after that.

Show us where he wanted to fight Johnson. I done believe you. If that were true than why would Johnson fight Vits an an eliminator when he could have just fought for the heavyweight championship?

[Dr Z]

Making stuff up again I see. Lewis said in an interview a few weeks before Johnson dropped out of their fight due to injury that he wanted one more fight and would retire. He said he wanted either Jones or Vits. He got Vits and ripped his face of to force the legendary TKO6 stoppage. No reason to go on after that.

Show us where he wanted to fight Johnson. I done believe you. If that were true than why would Johnson fight Vits an an eliminator when he could have just fought for the heavyweight championship?

And what if I do? Please explain your adjusted view if I do. Was Lewis acting like a retired fighter? Or did the WBC order rematch with Kiltschko make him retire?

Lewis tried to make matches with Jones and Johnson post Kiltschko.

Expalin your reaction first as you have been wrong two times in this thread. Then I will show.

[JAB5239]

And what if I do? Please explain your adjusted view if I do. Was Lewis acting like a retired fighter? Or did the WBC order rematch with Kiltschko make him retire?



Expalin your reaction first as you have been wrong two times in this thread. Then I will show.

If you do you will have finally shown SOMETHING!! The last time you were going to show something I had to buy a book just to prove you were lying about it. So pardon me if I don't have much confidence in you. You just claimed yesterday you watched the Botha-Tyson fight and Tyon was winning. That was determined to be a lie.

The question remains though.....why would Johnson fight Vits in an eliminator when he could just go straight for the title against a battle worn champion?

[Coverdale]

Lewis took a few months to decide if he wanted to continue his long career after a hard fight and opted not to. Only resentful imbeciles and people with an axe to grind create narratives around these sorts of trivialities.

[Marchegiano]

I do bare some responsibility for comparing the integrity of the Lineal with the Alphabets... Ok fair enough... BUT I think the mechanism for heredity titles and subsequent hybrids like the lineal is a self correcting mechanism. It is hard to corrupt, not impossible, because there is more money in making fans believe it does nto exist... Tell fans they have no say in who is supreme and to get behind an "official title" is easier than trying to corrupt the simplicity of the Lineal mechanism.

Gaslighting works many times because it actually makes sense... Galileo WAS insane! He WAS only able to predict the location of Jupitor's moons some of the times... He also happened to be a genius, but how many of us would believe such a thing back when?

Its like Warloon used to do: "Bill is crazy" Well yeah... So is Queenie but our POV's are very different and some make sense... Or, "That Marg with his Greek stuff... " Usually uttered by those who cannot see the importance of Greek culture to our own boxing evolution.

Point being: Gaslighting fans telling them "that lineal stuff is fabulation!" is easy to do.

I don't have the time to type as much as I'd like presently, but I will say it is you who keeps insisting on an adversarial framing between ABC and lineal. The popularity comment was meant to highlight both have merit. As in you are going too far by claiming everything good is the will of the people and everything bad is greedy capitalism. So if i have to speak plainly, I will; both have merit and flaws and none needs more than your own definition of lineal to highlight its inherent flaws. Just like I didn't have to follow that line with anything about the bodies to contrast.

Any who does this black and white one is good and the other bad stuff is doomed to fail. You've posted enough to let us know you're on some crusade inspired by Kaf. Gaslighting is easy. Harder to do if your history is simply names, dates, and events that allow readers to draw their own conclusions rather than telling them what their conclusions should be and supporting that with historical facts. Just saying, when a man is on a crusade it's like pulling teeth to get raw data rather than supported opinion.

[Coverdale]

I don't have the time to type as much as I'd like presently, but I will say it is you who keeps insisting on an adversarial framing between ABC and lineal. The popularity comment was meant to highlight both have merit. As in you are going too far by claiming everything good is the will of the people and everything bad is greedy capitalism. So if i have to speak plainly, I will; both have merit and flaws and none needs more than your own definition of lineal to highlight its inherent flaws. Just like I didn't have to follow that line with anything about the bodies to contrast.

Any who does this black and white one is good and the other bad stuff is doomed to fail. You've posted enough to let us know you're on some crusade inspired by Kaf. Gaslighting is easy. Harder to do if your history is simply names, dates, and events that allow readers to draw their own conclusions rather than telling them what their conclusions should be and supporting that with historical facts. Just saying, when a man is on a crusade it's like pulling teeth to get raw data rather than supported opinion.

The thing is, I was largely supportive of the "three belt era". Recognising the WBOgus and all the 'regular'/'interim' guff pushed me over the edge. I don't wish to accept it.

[QueensburyRules]

Because Lennox didn't need to strip as a side hustle? It's not like the WBC was going to get a lap dance out of it

- - Lewie $old his IBF/WBA to Don King in his prime crookery. Lewie announced his WBC retirement the day before they were gonna strip him because he refused to rematch Vitali that the WBC desperately wanted.

[billeau2]

Making stuff up again I see. Lewis said in an interview a few weeks before Johnson dropped out of their fight due to injury that he wanted one more fight and would retire. He said he wanted either Jones or Vits. He got Vits and ripped his face of to force the legendary TKO6 stoppage. No reason to go on after that.

Show us where he wanted to fight Johnson. I done believe you. If that were true than why would Johnson fight Vits an an eliminator when he could have just fought for the heavyweight championship?

Dr Z always leads up to someone telling what really happened. But I guess when your source material is the label on Queenie's Hooch machine, what can one expect?

[billeau2]

And what if I do? Please explain your adjusted view if I do. Was Lewis acting like a retired fighter? Or did the WBC order rematch with Kiltschko make him retire?



Expalin your reaction first as you have been wrong two times in this thread. Then I will show.

Your assertion makes absolutely no sense... Common sense would tell us Lewis had no real interest in Johnson who might be the rare opponent weaker than even Ruiz. And it is desultory to not grant Lewis the right to retire... Vitalie was a sore loser. He had a chance to go for it and did not. Sauce for the goose is good for the Gander Mendoza my dear friend: Holy told Lewis after their fights Lewis should not complain because he should have taken him out when he could... It was stinging but true! The same applies to Vitalie: he had lewis tired and even maybe ready to go... He COULD not capitolize. He knew his time was limited by vag face... He did not consider this and make a special effort to go after Lewis....

Vitalie deserved nothing. Lewis deserved praise for going blls to the wall and finishing the fight on top. Vitalie was already fading, which is one reason they stopped the fight. This BS peddled about Lewis... A man who whether you like, or not, fought all comers. But alas... he duicked Ruiz and Johnson right?

Sometimes Mendoza you put fourth such foolishness... Nothing personal but think!! Think!!!!!