Sonny Liston one of the greatest

[Dr Z]

I couldn’t figure out how to post images on here for a bit but eventually did. Right at the top of page 33 of this thread. So, again, he’s just lying.

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/boxing-forums/boxing-history/31707471-vitali-klitschko-the-last-great-heavyweight/page33

I also wrote out several months of rankings with the cover date and the rankings date for the issue that covered the dates before and after the Solis fight prior to that. Someone eventually found an online update in archive that showed him moving in online. Never made it to print.

I couldn’t figure out if he was trolling or just incredibly thick and blocked his posts but apparently that’s not working anymore.

I provided this at the time:

Yes, you could all be wrong strictly based on what was in the print issues. I can't figure out how to get the pictures to upload so I'll type it out:

April cover date, Rankings for period ended Jan 23, 2011, page 18:

Champ: Wlad
1. Vitali (record listed at 41-2, 38 KO)
2. Haye
3. Povetkin
4. Adamek
5. Chagaev
6. Chambers
7. Boytsov
8. Valuev
9. Dimitrenko
10. Arreola

May Cover Date, rankings as of Feb 20, 2011, page 18:

Champ: Wlad
1. Vitali (record listed at 41-2, 38 KO)
2. Haye
3. Povetkin
4. Adamek
5. Chagaev
6. Chambers
7. Boytsov
8. Valuev
9. Dimitrenko
10. Arreola

June Cover Date, rankings as of March 20, 2011, page 18:

Champ: Wlad
1. Vitali (record listed updated to 42-2, 39 KO)
2. Haye
3. Povetkin
4. Adamek
5. Chagaev
6. Chambers
7. Boytsov
8. Dimitrenko
9. Arreola
10. Pulev

Page 17, ratings analysis notes Valuev exited due to inactivity. If Solis moved in online for that, it is conceivable he was 10 for a minute between issues strictly online but there is no evidence of it in the magazine and no mention of Solis entering and exiting. The closest date I could find in wayback was 2/26: https://web.archive.org/web/20110221...49-heavyweight

No Solis.

if there was a brief change prior to the fight, it wasn’t recorded by then. That wouldn't be an error in my work because the work was based solely on print issues. The fight result is on page 98.

Whatever you say there might have been an error.... Welcome back. I thought you exited due to board politics? I never saw the photo I requested by the way.

I say agian, It was a good article you wrote.

[billeau2]

Liston would have crushed Frazier in a round

Foreman learned quite a bit from Sonny! My own opinion? Liston would be a surgeon. His attacks were premeditated, he threw all punches, was defensively responsible, never let a man off the hook when he had him ready to go. Sonny really used technical aspects intelligently. Foreman was more instinctive, not nearly as careful, or precise in his methods, though he did cut the ring down and control shoulders very well... Foreman looped his shots much more, depended upon brute strength and did not have the engine Liston had.

I do not believe Liston would have gone tooth and nail with Ron Lyle as an example...

[Anomalocaris]

Foreman learned quite a bit from Sonny! My own opinion? Liston would be a surgeon. His attacks were premeditated, he threw all punches, was defensively responsible, never let a man off the hook when he had him ready to go. Sonny really used technical aspects intelligently. Foreman was more instinctive, not nearly as careful, or precise in his methods, though he did cut the ring down and control shoulders very well... Foreman looped his shots much more, depended upon brute strength and did not have the engine Liston had.

I do not believe Liston would have gone tooth and nail with Ron Lyle as an example...

Good post although to be fair post Ali George was in a mental fog and simply not the same fighter.

I believe the version that decimated Frazier and Norton would have done the same to Lyle as tough as he was.

As for prime Sonny v prime Joe it would have been brutal.

Frazier's syle was not suited to Liston's at all and styles make fights.

Bonavena was not Sonny.

[Willow The Wisp]

- - Best of Kbros era infinitely bigger, stronger, and better schooled that the bankrupt Liston era when boxing was perceived as crooked as it gets...double duh duh duh, duh*infinity...

Pro wrestlers, Power lifters, Body builders, Sumo Wrestlers, NFL Offensive Linemen, NBA Centers; also "infinitely bigger, stronger".....Can't fight a lick, especially in the ring with all the shortcuts blocked off.

Sonny Liston, Cleve Wolliams, Zora Folley would Pele Reid the stiff and upright Vitali Klitschko, I'm afraid.

[JAB5239]

Pro wrestlers, Power lifters, Body builders, Sumo Wrestlers, NFL Offensive Linemen, NBA Centers; also "infinitely bigger, stronger".....Can't fight a lick, especially in the ring with all the shortcuts blocked off.

Sonny Liston, Cleve Wolliams, Zora Folley would Pele Reid the stiff and upright Vitali Klitschko, I'm afraid.

Perfect response!!

[solidman]

I rate Liston high as a fighter, but the only problem is that he never got off the canvas to win a fight.

[Ben Bolt]

Sonny and Ingemar Johansson jam together in Stockholm 1967. It says, Liston’s visits to Sweden were
among his happier days. He wasn’t treated like a criminal, but with the respect of a sports hero.

Of note: In the early 60s, Ingo said that if he regained the title from Floyd, he wouldn’t give Sonny a title
shot because of Sonny’s shady background. For Ingo, gentlemanly behavior was important.
So it's nice to see this pic from years later, that the guys are getting along well.

gettyimages-515182718-2048x2048.webp

[billeau2]

Perfect response!!

Yeah but what of Valuev?

[solidman]

I rate Liston high as a fighter, but the only problem is that he never got off the canvas to win a fight.

I like this picture

[solidman]

Sonny and Ingemar Johansson jam together in Stockholm 1967. It says, Liston’s visits to Sweden were
among his happier days. He wasn’t treated like a criminal, but with the respect of a sports hero.

Of note: In the early 60s, Ingo said that if he regained the title from Floyd, he wouldn’t give Sonny a title
shot because of Sonny’s shady background. For Ingo, gentlemanly behavior was important.
So it's nice to see this pic from years later, that the guys are getting along well.

gettyimages-515182718-2048x2048.webp

I like this picture