How about a list of draws from fighters?

[billeau2]

Thanks a lot... you're too kind!

Now the real king of boxing trivia is of course Henry Hascup - who's probably the guy, you had in mind?

Forgot about Henry, Yes he has the chops, I think the other guy was "Mitch Green?" But me and names...

[billeau2]

Jack was a good fighter. Don't put words in my mouth. HOWEVER he is over rated by the media and his numerous losses, and his multiple draws ( news and via decision ) tell the true tale.

Oh no sir! would never say you said such a thing... You simply Intimate it with every post about the guy! And you provide proof in this very post...

[billeau2]

God, it is one of those things where when you do learn of him, you find yourself asking "Why was I told this guy was a great man?"

He was like Elon Musk today. Not actually an innovator but had a brilliance for taking new technology and exploiting it.

Like Musk, a self promoter out the as-s.

But also like Musk, not a people person. Often took credit for others work and would rather hold back innovation than see another be successful.

Edison tried to shut down the entire verging film industry by claiming a patten on "sprocket holes" and then refusing to share, even for profit.

It took the courts to overrule his nonsense.

absolute excellent analogy... YES!!! Musky makes me think they are reincarnates... Guys who buy great ideas and repackage them into medoicre, self serving BS. Edison was great figuring out how to get people to pay for something that is all around us and part of the natural world. If Tesla and others had been allowed to work We would not have electrical bills.

Musk IMO is on his best day about as smart as Edison on his worse, both in the toilet compared to the likes of Darwin (who did get a lot of help from prevailing theories), Einstein, who likewise could not touch Bohr, Galileo and Devinci... With Newton perhaps at the proverbial top of the heap! Just my all star line up...

[Willie Pep 229]

According to your," source" Johnson drew with McCormack on October the 15th1902.Are you aware that Johnson fought Frank Childs on the 21st of that month?This is verified onBox Rec CBZ and 6 bios of Johnson,none mention a fight with McCormack.
Johnson is documented to have fought McCormack in1900"

1900-03-21			Jim McCormick		0 1 1		Galveston A.C., Galveston	NC-ND	15/15		event bout score wiki
The Galveston Daily News reported that McCormick finished the fight with a closed left eye and a swollen left cheek, while Johnson had spit a quantity of blood. To avoid a clash with Texas State Law, which forbade prizefighting, the Galveston A.C. employed fighters as their physical instructors and labeled their fights as 'exhibitions of boxing' for the members of the club.

It was not a draw. Johnson again fought McCormack on the 20th of April .Johnson won by DSQ.

"McCormick was disqualified for fouling Johnson
The pair had fought 15 rounds as the opening event of the new Galveston A.C. clubrooms on March 21 1900."
To encapsulate all this,everything you have produced I have systematically destroyed with documented facts from primary sources.
You are lucky you don't have enough sense to feel humiliated.lol

I love that sort of thing.

The Sullivan-Corbett go in New Orleans 1892 was billed as a "Boxing Exhibition, to the Finish."

Now what the hell does that mean

[Anomalocaris]

Oh,I'm quite prepared to be wrong ,and I know nothing about Edison's character,he may indeed be the ,"villain of the piece,"

Edison was a total scumbag - look at his publicity stunt murdering the poor elephant.

Anyway Tesla was far, far greater - a truly towering (if eccentric) genius.

I am very busy atm otherwise would go into far more detail.

[Marchegiano]

This opinion of Edison is relatively new and very popular but in the end a bunch of bull from European academics with no practical credentials taking advantage of the public's slim understanding of the nature of invention.





If you read a book about America written by Japanese academics that sources nothing in English let alone anything American would you be shocked to find inaccuracies? Just saying. Tesla didn't revere one while calling the other a donkey for no reason.


Finally, most inventions have a slew of half assed almost working proof of concepts by heaps of people before the inventor makes what works. "But X had Y prototype that was shown a whole twice to his neighbor and wife" Is not proof someone invented anything

[Willie Pep 229]

Edison was a total scumbag - look at his publicity stunt murdering the poor elephant.

Anyway Tesla was far, far greater - a truly towering (if eccentric) genius.

I am very busy atm otherwise would go into far more detail.

While I rather not defend Edison, but for clarity sake, let me say he exploited the event but did not create it.

BTW The elephant only stamped the a- hole to death because the bastard fed the elephant a lit cigarette butt.

I call that justified homicide.

ChatGPT

Edison didn't actively promote the execution of Topsy the elephant in 1903, but he did take the opportunity to film it for commercial and possibly ideological reasons. The execution was primarily organized by the owners of Luna Park on Coney Island as a public spectacle to dispose of Topsy, who had killed a man and was deemed dangerous.

Edison’s film company recorded the event as Electrocuting an Elephant, which contributed to the perception that he was using it as part of his "war of the currents" against Westinghouse and AC power. However, by 1903, the war had mostly ended, and Edison had distanced himself from the electric chair experiments he once supported. While he didn't orchestrate the execution, filming it certainly aligned with his past efforts to demonstrate the dangers of AC power.

[JAB5239]

I love that sort of thing.

The Sullivan-Corbett go in New Orleans 1892 was billed as a "Boxing Exhibition, to the Finish."

Now what the hell does that mean

That's time thing here.......so much stuff that isn't properly defined. Z wants to put tables on things but provides no description of the times, laws or context of which these fights were fought. We're expected to go on blind faith. His blind faith. Now Bronson, he could very well be wrong. But I just don't see it. "Exhibition, to the finish", there is about as much definition in that description alone as we've recieved from Z. Just sayin.

[billeau2]

Do youse lot not know how the newspaper stuff is properly navigated either?



I feel like Bundy asked a very similar question but got a bunch of personal choice responses and absolutely nothing that explains when historians see a newspaper source as an official result and when it's an unofficial newspaper result

From reading some miscellanious anecdotal info this is what I have gathered about newspaper decisions: It was an informal process. People were asked to score the fights along with the ref. It did not carry the import of a decision like we think about it today.

For example, a sunny day on the Barge sees smokin Joe versus Anorak the smacker... The ref and seconds are in, the ref is neutral but there needs to be at least one other guy... "How about the Papers guys? they seem objective enough, know the routine..." That kind of thing. A far cry from "we need official judges and compubox numbers!"

[billeau2]

This opinion of Edison is relatively new and very popular but in the end a bunch of bull from European academics with no practical credentials taking advantage of the public's slim understanding of the nature of invention.





If you read a book about America written by Japanese academics that sources nothing in English let alone anything American would you be shocked to find inaccuracies? Just saying. Tesla didn't revere one while calling the other a donkey for no reason.


Finally, most inventions have a slew of half assed almost working proof of concepts by heaps of people before the inventor makes what works. "But X had Y prototype that was shown a whole twice to his neighbor and wife" Is not proof someone invented anything

One of the reasons I respect certain posters here, is when they show mastery of some field... Iron Dan showed an understanding of Steroids that was obviously very informed, so I take his opinions on steroids as something to look forward to.

A lot of these guys might not know your own POV about "inventions" but I do... And lets just say your opinions on this subject are more than worth listening to! My take on Edison and Muske does not detract from them because they were the individuals capable of putting things together, which as you say, is levels to the game different than just an idea and prototype... My detraction is because IMO neither of them did much themselves compared to the brilliant people they used... Including in packaging their ideas.

Both men hired brilliant individuals... Like Tesla, and used them as a means to their ends past any production value contributed imo. Muske had brilliant engineers and designers who literally slept in their cars to work 20 hour days, who he just fired on a whim. That is just an opinion though lol.