How about a list of draws from fighters?

[Willie Pep 229]

From reading some miscellanious anecdotal info this is what I have gathered about newspaper decisions: It was an informal process. People were asked to score the fights along with the ref. It did not carry the import of a decision like we think about it today.

For example, a sunny day on the Barge sees smokin Joe versus Anorak the smacker... The ref and seconds are in, the ref is neutral but there needs to be at least one other guy... "How about the Papers guys? they seem objective enough, know the routine..." That kind of thing. A far cry from "we need official judges and compubox numbers!"

Um? I always saw it different.

Back in the day when people played the "numbers" -- the day before 'the runner' would ID the racetrack that 'the number' would be pulled from.

I assumed, but now you got me thinking, maybe I am only assuming, . . . that the bookies would ID a newspaper (a sports writer) that the boxing bets would be settled.

I.e. That the NWS decision were important to the g-ambling.

Now I wonder.

[billeau2]

Um? I always saw it different.

Back in the day when people played the "numbers" -- the day before 'the runner' would ID the racetrack that 'the number' would be pulled from.

I assumed, but now you got me thinking, maybe I am only assuming, . . . that the bookies would ID a newspaper (a sports writer) that the boxing bets would be settled.

I.e. That the NWS decision were important to the g-ambling.

Now I wonder.

Its a good point and I would think as much... Certainly there might have been some influence peddling. There are certain facts that are hard to account for:
1. Many decisions were ballots from the writers in one form or another. Perhaps with a ********ic twist? I do think at times all the press box opinions were tallied...

2. One can only assume a base level of informality. I grew up being mentored for a time by one of the bigger numbers guys in East Harlem. He explained to me that Numbers were taken by so called "d u m b" Puerto Ricans, taught to memorize EVERY number (no paper trail)... Quite an informal process!

People may have resigned themselves to an informal process... Certain famous figures were called in as judges as well... I forget the gun slinger, it may have been Doc holiday? was asked to referee and/or judge a heavy weight scrap for the title.

What you suggest also makes sense: If the books were too unbalanced a NO contest could always be relied upon lol. Or so it would seem.

Finally, I do recall instances when there was protest over a decision. Even to such an extent that the seconds attacked the ref, etc. So people were not simple trusting souls...

[Anomalocaris]

While I rather not defend Edison, but for clarity sake, let me say he exploited the event but did not create it.

BTW The elephant only stamped the a- hole to death because the bastard fed the elephant a lit cigarette butt.

I call that justified homicide.

ChatGPT

Edison didn't actively promote the execution of Topsy the elephant in 1903, but he did take the opportunity to film it for commercial and possibly ideological reasons. The execution was primarily organized by the owners of Luna Park on Coney Island as a public spectacle to dispose of Topsy, who had killed a man and was deemed dangerous.

Edison’s film company recorded the event as Electrocuting an Elephant, which contributed to the perception that he was using it as part of his "war of the currents" against Westinghouse and AC power. However, by 1903, the war had mostly ended, and Edison had distanced himself from the electric chair experiments he once supported. While he didn't orchestrate the execution, filming it certainly aligned with his past efforts to demonstrate the dangers of AC power.

Great post!



You said everything I should have but I drasically shortened my reply because I was very busy at the time.

I think a lot of you who are so knowledgible about various subjects should go on the lounge far more.

I have started a few topics but they did not get many replies, so have tended not to start any more.

Very few on this forum seem to go on there which I think is a shame.

[JAB5239]

Bronson wants to argure with the finds of AI. Do you?

Honestly, I don't need to. Bronson has been mopping the floor with you and your supposed AI. You haven't actually provided a source, so you will have to forgive me for not believing you.

[Marchegiano]

Yeah, I'll argue with AI. That's the easiest **** to beat because it hasn't the defensiveness to never admit being wrong. What are we arguing about?


I know it should be able to, but, promise if AI was worth a **** it'd be doing my research and writing for me. Pep and Z like it a lot. Pep and Z are also a pair of racists. Just saying, short sighted narrow brains accept easy answers.


Brony said I could turn anything into an argument and argue with a wall ... too ****ing right. I accept answers begrudgingly which is why AI has little. Push it and it will admit it is wrong, using poor sources , or just making **** up because it's a chat bot not a research bot.


There is a reason why huggingface is something different for youse. You're not enthusiasts, coding is not a hobby of yours, you've produced exactly 0 games, programs, or bots. You are users. You should get on an enthusiasts' website the second you found out about it if you really give a **** about its effectiveness. You do not. you're just being lazy with arguments on a forum no different than a student being lazy about homework. I dropped huggingface a long time ago. Got nothing from Z or Pep, our resident AI lovers, because neither one could actually give a **** if the tool is worth using. They use it because they are lazy ****s.





I do not hide. I butt with Ivich all the time but I love Brony, because he's real. He does his research or at least tells us what's in his books. Pep and Z I honestly butt heads with less, but show them less respect too. Because Z, dude, you used to bring quality research bro. Now you don't and yes I will **** your goofy chat bot to prove it, easy work son, easier than boxing talk. Pep became a straight up **** who uses AI to seek agreement and never posts a GD thing of worth.


I know everyone loves the circlejerk. Every loves to be agreed with. It's the most important. Right and wrong don't matter, who won the poll matters. It's gay. I absolutely know I'm the odd one in many ways but none more so than that ****. Put value in who brings quality research to the table. Our opinions mean nothing.






Z gets roasted for doing the exact same **** as Pep who doesn't get roasted. The difference? Pep agrees with Brony. ... ... ... ... y'all grown ass men old enough to be my father. ... ... ... and draw respect lines based on who agrees with you rather than who bring research and value to the forum.





Yeah, I want that AI fight bro. From both of you. All of you. Every **** on this forum who ever copied and pasted a chat bot response at me, I want that work son. Bunch of old ass ****ers who ain't never coded **** supplementing their boxing with ****ty code because they're too ignorant to know better and too proud to listen to a mother ****er they have known for years, who has never hidden his place in piracy, mods, coding, it was a ****ing hobby I shared with youse before youse had a tool to be lazy with. Now you gonna post that **** at me AND have the ****ing balls to challenge ANY human authority juxtaposed to it? Son, and won't even bother taking a look at the community. Promise, if on huggingface they started talking boxing just randomly but refused to even check out scene or 24 I'd say the same ****. Bunch of ****ing code nerds never laced up **** and won't even check a fan community but thinks their opinions is valid all the same? Challenge.





Any Ai, any subject, you can be right, I'll still absolutely ****ing **** that ****ing chat bot. Anyone who wants to do it. Any time.

[JAB5239]

I did provide a source, Cowboy. But I will forgive you.

Lol, you provided nothing link. Are we just expected to take your word? And Bronson decimated that whole line of BS anyway.

[Marchegiano]

Seek help.

Sounds like a P U S S Y to me brah.

[JAB5239]

AI is not BS, what are you ******? Quit sniffing Bronson's crack. If it was linked would that change you mind? Serious question.

Sniffing his crack? Grow up. He has picked apart everything you've argued with logic and reason. He's pointed out your inaccuracies and corrected you. That isn't sniffing anything, that is a fact. But please do provide the link. I can't promise my mind will be changed, but that doesn't mean it cant.

[QueensburyRules]

Neither Choynski or Johnson weighed in for that fight,but a comparison of their available weights at the time indicate there was little weight disparity between the two.

- - Can't follow a fighter timeline exacerbated being a crashing bore.

1901 neither weights given
1900 Joe was 163 and Jack was 168
1902 Joe was 169 and Jack 185

There's a vast disparity of vacuous Cosmos in between U ears...

[JAB5239]

- - Can't follow a fighter timeline exacerbated being a crashing bore.

1901 neither weights given
1900 Joe was 163 and Jack was 168
1902 Joe was 169 and Jack 185

There's a vast disparity of vacuous Cosmos in between U ears...

If you follow the timeline, when they fought and weights, there is no great disparity. They fought at the beginning of 1901. Seems pretty obvious.