Boxing Champions Great Outside The Ring

[Anomalocaris]

Is George Foreman boxing's mother Theresa?

I would say not.

George Is a genuinely good man now.

That evil, narcisstic, hypocritical old bag was totally exposed by Hitch (RIP).

People should read the book.

Saint my ar*e.

[GhostofDempsey]

Gentleman Jim


Did he act like a gentleman? Was it his whole entire schtick? He liked rubbing shoulders with Hollywood elites and Vaudeville stars? In the 19th Century?


You guys act like we need to have a manifesto sometimes. "Don't let him knock that ****** out" - doesn't mean he's racist per se. Goes by Gentleman, doesn't mean he's racist perse. He's a white dude in an era when most white dudes are hardcore racist, but perse doe.


The fact this man was white at the tail of the 19th means, probably. The fact he went by gentleman in a time when gentlemanly behavior incorporates how to treat the lesser races and ***, and the fact that Jim Corbett said racist **** ... probably a racist.


Why are we always pretending our champions are some forward thinking egalitarians who are the exception of their time just enough to not believe like their time but not enough to give any sign at all that they believe anything about equality? This dude was a dumbass. All champions are. The smartest champion ever in the history of always is a ****ty scientist, a ****ty philosopher, a ****ty scholar. The biggest brag youse chuck out ever is but some went to college doe. Jesus ****, probably a ****ing racist should be your default and proving he wasn't should be the ask.




You want to have a contest? See how many racist quotes I can source and you find quotes of Jim Corbett calling for equality, see who gets more?


Of ****ing course you don't.

LOL, you seem particularly triggered here. I merely asked how so because I haven't done a deep dive on Corbett's entire life. I also take into account social norms of any given era, I don't hold a man or woman of over 100 years ago to the social equity standards that apply to everything today. Especially since the equity standards are sharply skewed in one direction. Too many people sum up a person's entire life and judge them according to a quote lacking context or someone behaving in such a way that was socially acceptable and perhaps expected from a bygone era. The color lines in the early 1900s were much stronger than even a few decades later. How much good did they do in their lifetime and does all of that get erased for a slur? Do you think your boy Marciano who grew up in Brockton MA was woke before his time and didn't treat blacks or other ********** differently because it was socially acceptable in the 40s and 50s, or use a slur here and there? Was he marching for equal and civil rights in the 60s? I honestly don't know, but I'd welcome any supporting evidence.

[GhostofDempsey]

Don 't 'how-so' me. You know exactly what I am talking about. You know you do and you know I know you do.

That's a deflection. You're making broad assumptions and summing up a man's entire existence on said assumptions. Jack Johnson was a pimp and a r@pist, yet he's worshipped and adored by fans across the sport as some victim of society and deserves a pass for being a monster. Joe Louis was a drug addict, Ray Robinson brutally abused his wife, Liston was a leg-breaker for the mob, Ali, Holmes, Tyson, Hopkins, Haney have all said racist things...must we caveat every discussion about them by pointing out how flawed they were/are? Or can we agree that some of them did enough good in their lifetime to balance out the scales?

[billeau2]

How so?

Irony is thick here, literally because one could look at Corbett under the light as both, victim and perp lol. He was a bit of an Irish braggart, and... and at the time a victim of racism due to how the Irish were treated.

[billeau2]

Joe Louis broke the colour bar on golf courses,he was instrumental in helping Jackie Robinson get a commission,he refused to box exhibitions outside the US if a colour bar was implemented.Louis defended his title twice for training expenses the gate money of the two fights went to the Army and Navy relief funds. .He did more for race relations in the 40s than anyone,he gave Black people pride in their race in very difficult times .
We don't need another troll here, the position is already taken.

Joe also was adored by Muricans of all races, genuinely thought of as "one of ours," loved by the Je wish expats, who came to see the Black struggle, the struggle for the working man, as a part of their own identity and struggles from the Holocaust... Socialist Je ws like my grandfather saw Louis as their fighter... When Louis fought men of all stripes would share brotherhood... and I would ask all of my fellow posters here: What REALLY makes boxing different from two savages throwing hands to address a wrong, a boast, or indiscrimintly? If not for men like Joe Louis?

[Willie Pep 229]

LOL, you seem particularly triggered here. I merely asked how so because I haven't done a deep dive on Corbett's entire life. I also take into account social norms of any given era, I don't hold a man or woman of over 100 years ago to the social equity standards that apply to everything today. Especially since the equity standards are sharply skewed in one direction. Too many people sum up a person's entire life and judge them according to a quote lacking context or someone behaving in such a way that was socially acceptable and perhaps expected from a bygone era. The color lines in the early 1900s were much stronger than even a few decades later. How much good did they do in their lifetime and does all of that get erased for a slur? Do you think your boy Marciano who grew up in Brockton MA was woke before his time and didn't treat blacks or other ********** differently because it was socially acceptable in the 40s and 50s, or use a slur here and there? Was he marching for equal and civil rights in the 60s? I honestly don't know, but I'd welcome any supporting evidence.

Presentism — the act of interpreting or judging the past based on modern values, beliefs, or perspectives.

This historical malady leads to misunderstandings of historical contexts, as it fails to account for the social, cultural, and moral frameworks that shaped people's actions at the time.

While it's natural to analyze history through today's lens, real historians try to understand the past on its own terms, recognizing that people operated within different moral and societal norms.

[Marchegiano]

LOL, you seem particularly triggered here. I merely asked how so because I haven't done a deep dive on Corbett's entire life. I also take into account social norms of any given era, I don't hold a man or woman of over 100 years ago to the social equity standards that apply to everything today. Especially since the equity standards are sharply skewed in one direction. Too many people sum up a person's entire life and judge them according to a quote lacking context or someone behaving in such a way that was socially acceptable and perhaps expected from a bygone era. The color lines in the early 1900s were much stronger than even a few decades later. How much good did they do in their lifetime and does all of that get erased for a slur? Do you think your boy Marciano who grew up in Brockton MA was woke before his time and didn't treat blacks or other ********** differently because it was socially acceptable in the 40s and 50s, or use a slur here and there? Was he marching for equal and civil rights in the 60s? I honestly don't know, but I'd welcome any supporting evidence.

I see it, my bad.


I had a lot of supporting evidence to rattle through. I didn't call you anything, I'm not bothered, I just think it's absurd people always default to not a racist unless proven otherwise in an era when that's 100% backwards. That's just a private pet peeve and maybe it bled through a bit but I'm not in anyway bothered by you. I'm just speaking to my pal over here. My bad for not being more clear about that.



I hard agree with most of what you wrote here. Mostly our champions are products or their time. I don't think less of Jim for being a racist. I know I would have been. They were listening to their science. I do that heaps. I listen when they talk about space. I don't know better than the world's smartest smarty-pants. I just get told by smarty-pantses what all the smarties agreed to like anyone else then or now. Unfortunately the end of the 19th century is primetime science based racism. ... just a product of their time.


I agree a statement is not the measure of a man too. Aristotle says a man a list of his acts, I agree.


On Marciano and co, def. I don't assume Rocky would like or agree with anything about me other than my being a fan of his. He's definitely considered racist these days, he's also a real catholic and a mamas boy, and on top of that he's a yankee doodle. We definitely would not be friends and that's just fine by me. I don't need Jim to be a forward thinking egalitarian over a hundred years before his time nor do I need Marciano to be rational. Jim pioneered modern boxing. Marciano revived the ancient ways. Both are worthy of fandom.





JJ my favorite out of the ring for how he just gave it to authority back then. JJ probably wouldn't like my whiteness very much. It's cool bro, JJ can be racist against me all day long so long as he whoops Tommy and building a machine to outrun polices with I still love him.

[Marchegiano]

Presentism — the act of interpreting or judging the past based on modern values, beliefs, or perspectives.

This historical malady leads to misunderstandings of historical contexts, as it fails to account for the social, cultural, and moral frameworks that shaped people's actions at the time.

While it's natural to analyze history through today's lens, real historians try to understand the past on its own terms, recognizing that people operated within different moral and societal norms.

Ghost, take note, y'all done forgot what an annoyed Marche looks like. Yer old pal Pep came to remind you.



How many ****ing times do I have to tell your ***** ass to not put words in my mouth? I dunno TF happened to you dude, one day you woke up with big britches and a ***** ass attitude. I'm right here, all day, every day. Step, or stfu.



You answering my questions for me is the most ***** ass passive aggressive tactic I have ever seen on this forum.



You need me to follow you around and harass you for you to grow a big enough pair so's you will tell me where this bull**** is coming from? Seems like it. Seems like your ***** ass doesn't want the conflict but does want to take shots. Like a dumb ****. Like a really dumb person who knows if they come out and say what's really on their mind they might get embarrassed.


"please leave me alone"

Then answers for me. ... ... ... Not a ***** ass who wants to take shots while avoiding conflicts doe huh? Show them nuts son.

[billeau2]

Beware Beware Beware the troll Asmodeus!!! From the ancient Mesopotamian text comes the following prophecy: "And smite though he may appear. to be.. in the year 2025 shall come Asmodeus, to ridicule pugilists and cause chaos! We are then told in the Sumerian book of trolls: "Asmodeus can be recognized by his two minor trolls that ride ahead of him as he descends to spread chaos... These trolls are Money Man and Money man's deformed twin...

In the book of Syrian Kings it is claimed one can smite Asmodeus with a quick kick to the groin, but we are then told "Upon levelling a swift kick to the ***els it is discovered Asmodeus in fact has a large Yoni! and no testicles to strike!"

Prophecy tells us that the coming of Asmodeus portends the end of a weak heavy weight division so maybe this is a blessing... But take care! Beware this troll as he has wrecked havoc throughout history!

Marche tells us "The Greek champion parcules coming out to do battle with the challenger Isosceles was mercilessly taunted by a demon with a fiery chariot (actually a ford Taurus with no muffler) and two distorted trolls, causing him to reflect before the match "yea Gods, I am facing more than merely an unbalanced opponent!" Other documented sightings of Asmodeus are plentiful!

[Anomalocaris]

Beware Beware Beware the troll Asmodeus!!! From the ancient Mesopotamian text comes the following prophecy: "And smite though he may appear. to be.. in the year 2025 shall come Asmodeus, to ridicule pugilists and cause chaos! We are then told in the Sumerian book of trolls: "Asmodeus can be recognized by his two minor trolls that ride ahead of him as he descends to spread chaos... These trolls are Money Man and Money man's deformed twin...

In the book of Syrian Kings it is claimed one can smite Asmodeus with a quick kick to the groin, but we are then told "Upon levelling a swift kick to the ***els it is discovered Asmodeus in fact has a large Yoni! and no testicles to strike!"

Prophecy tells us that the coming of Asmodeus portends the end of a weak heavy weight division so maybe this is a blessing... But take care! Beware this troll as he has wrecked havoc throughout history!

Marche tells us "The Greek champion parcules coming out to do battle with the challenger Isosceles was mercilessly taunted by a demon with a fiery chariot (actually a ford Taurus with no muffler) and two distorted trolls, causing him to reflect before the match "yea Gods, I am facing more than merely an unbalanced opponent!" Other documented sightings of Asmodeus are plentiful!