Boxing Champions Great Outside The Ring

[Willie Pep 229]

No he didn't finance any brothel and if you claim otherwise I'm,asking you to prove it.
The Mann act was brought into law to combat White Slavery ie forced prostitution.
Johnson was convicted of transporting a woman who was not his wife across state border lines for immoral purposes.
Therefore any male who traveled from one state to another and had *** with awoman he was not married to was liable to prosecution under the Mann Act.

"The Mann Act made it a crime to transport women across state lines "for the purpose of prostitution or debauchery, or for any other immoral purpose." While designed to combat forced prostitution, the law was so broadly worded that courts held it to criminalize many forms of consensual s exual activity, and it was soon being used as a tool for political persecution of Jack Johnson and others, as well as a tool for blackmail.

The Mann Act was born during the "white slavery" hysteria of the early 20th century."

You really shouldn't comment on these adult matters, because doing so just makes you appear almost as big a fool as your actually are.which believe me is some feat!lol

It was just that, a hysteria. There never was a 'slow boat to China' filled with White women enroute to sexual slavery.

The hysteria was part of a bigger picture of Xenophobia towards the Chinese. Once the railroad labor of the 19th century was no longer needed that fear and hatred started to grow.

The Chinese had been migrated in mass by 'wage slave' merchants, and their rapid increase in numbers spooked the White populace.)

(This mass migration of Chinese labor was to supplement the loss of 700,000 young American men during the Civil War.)

in 1888 the Chinese Exclusion Act was the first reaction of this Xenophobia. A new generation of young White men (labor) had come of age and the Chinese no longer needed.

(It is an often misunderstood law. It did not forbid an individual Chinese from entering America by his own accord, it just forbade the mass migration of Chinese workers, as financed by American corporations.)

Then by 1910 and the end of the RR building boom, the Xenophobia towards the 'celestials' grew many evil legends. White 'slavery' was a big one.

James Mann of Illinois (House) and Albert Beveridge of Indiana (Senate) pushed through the White-Slavery Traffic Act.

It was a political ploy. It gave the federal government (via the interstate commerce clause of the Consitution) the power to police prostitution. A power it did not before hold. (Note the word traffic in the law.

(Earlier the railroads were brought under federal control by the same interstate commerce clause) because the Courts ruled 'traffic' was commerce.)

(At times your British unitary system is more proficient than our federal system. Which is always at odds with itself.)

With the new law in place . . .

Because the problem never actually existed, western representatives first promised their constituents they would solve the problem.

Then once everyone was safely reelected they announced the problem had been solved and patted themselves on the back.

A 'hobgoblin' tactic used repeatedly in American politics. E.g. "A caravan of Mexican rapists; Haitians eating pets.

As far as I know, no one was ever actually convicted based on the law's original intent.

As you stated is was so broadly (poorly) worded it was abused by the government, and JJ was part of that abuse.

P.S. Here is a great example.

A guy ran away from his wife, with his mistress, from California to Nevada. The wife could not serve the guy with divorce papers and was left destitute.

Her lawyer knew where the husband was in Nevada and that he was with his (White) mistress. So he tipped the Federal Marshalls to his where abouts. Because Nevada and California shared a federal court district the husband was returned to Califorina to face a Mann Act charge.

The husband was acquitted on the Mann Act charge (because he wasn't, like JJ, actually guilty,) but when the husband left the court the wife's lawyer was waiting on the court house steps to serve him with the divorce papers.

(Incidently this is no longer a problem as the USA has since empowered the federal governmet to chase down dead beat dads who try to escape child support by crossing State borders.)

[Bronson66]

It was just that, a hysteria. There never was a 'slow boat to China' filled with White women enroute to ***ual slavery.

The hysteria was part of a bigger picture of Xenophobia towards the Chinese. Once the railroad labor of the 19th century was no longer needed that fear and hatred started to grow.

The Chinese had been migrated in mass by 'wage slave' merchants, and their rapid increase in numbers spooked the White populace.)

(This mass migration of Chinese labor was to supplement the loss of 700,000 young American men during the Civil War.)

in 1888 the Chinese Exclusion Act was the first reaction of this Xenophobia. A new generation of young White men (labor) had come of age and the Chinese no longer needed.

(It is an often misunderstood law. It did not forbid an individual Chinese from entering America by his own accord, it just forbade the mass migration of Chinese workers, as financed by American corporations.)

Then by 1910 and the end of the RR building boom, the Xenophobia towards the 'celestials' grew many evil legends. White 'slavery' was a big one.

James Mann of Illinois (House) and Albert Beveridge of Indiana (Senate) pushed through the White-Slavery Traffic Act.

It was a political ploy. It gave the federal government (via the interstate commerce clause of the Consitution) the power to police prostitution. A power it did not before hold. (Note the word traffic in the law.

(Earlier the railroads were brought under federal control by the same interstate commerce clause) because the Courts ruled 'traffic' was commerce.)

(At times your British unitary system is more proficient than our federal system. Which is always at odds with itself.)

With the new law in place . . .

Because the problem never actually existed, western representatives first promised their constituents they would solve the problem.

Then once everyone was safely reelected they announced the problem had been solved and patted themselves on the back.

A 'hobgoblin' tactic used repeatedly in American politics. E.g. "A caravan of Mexican rapists; Haitians eating pets.

As far as I know, no one was ever actually convicted based on the law's original intent.

As you stated is was so broadly (poorly) worded it was abused by the government, and JJ was part of that abuse.

P.S. Here is a great example.

A guy ran away from his wife, with his mistress, from California to Nevada. The wife could not serve the guy with divorce papers and was left destitute.

Her lawyer knew where the husband was in Nevada and that he was with his (White) mistress. So he tipped the Federal Marshalls to his where abouts. Because Nevada and California shared a federal court district the husband was returned to Califorina to face a Mann Act charge.

The husband was acquitted on the Mann Act charge (because he wasn't, like JJ, actually guilty,) but when the husband left the court the wife's lawyer was waiting on the court house steps to serve him with the divorce papers.

(Incidently this is no longer a problem as the USA has since empowered the federal governmet to chase down dead beat dads who try to escape child support by crossing State borders.)

The act is actually called the White Slave Act ,but is called after its originator.
Charlie Chaplin,Frank Lloyd Wright ,Rex Ingram, and Chuck Berry were all prosecuted under this silly legislation.Chaplin and Wright were acquitted.

[Willie Pep 229]

The act is actually called the White Slave Act ,but is called after its originator.
Charlie Chaplin,Frank Lloyd Wright ,Rex Ingram, and Chuck Berry were all prosecuted under this silly legislation.Chaplin and Wright were acquitted.

Ah, thanks for the list. Frank Lloyd Wright?

Now I do remember Chuck Berry having some kind of problem like that.

No it is properly called the White-Slave Traffic Act of 1910.

As I said in the post the word 'ttraffic' is important Consitution wise.

[Marchegiano]

To condense my point:

No one should be given the benefit of doubt.

No one should be lessened by being a product of their time.

The few who prove themselves before their time should be given that honor, alone.

Most of this debate has gotten stu-pid.

[Bronson66]

To condense my point:

No one should be given the benefit of doubt.

No one should be lessened by being a product of their time.

The few who prove themselves before their time should be given that honor, alone.

Most of this debate has gotten stu-pid.

So,in your opinion ,it is quite okay for anyone say someone was a rapist and a pimp,without that accuser providing a single shred of evidence to back up their claims?
Because as you say.

"No one should be given the benefit of the doubt"

The onus therefore is not on the accuser to prove their accusations,but on the accused to disprove them!

ie Guilty until proven innocent!

John Wayne was a cross dressing ****sexual.
George Washington was an informant for the UK Government.
Government Ulysses S Grant was teetotal.
Benjamin Franklin was seriously ******.

[Marchegiano]

So,in your opinion ,it is quite okay for anyone say someone was a rapist and a pimp,without that accuser providing a single shred of evidence to back up their claims?
Because as you say.

"No one should be given the benefit of the doubt"

The onus therefore is not on the accuser to prove their accusations,but on the accused to disprove them!

ie Guilty until proven innocent!

John Wayne was a cross dressing *******ual.
George Washington was an informant for the UK Government.
Government Ulysses S Grant was teetotal.
Benjamin Franklin was seriously ******.

I think bringing in accusations for a specific crime is starkly differently than assuming the moral compass of a specific era.


This is apples and oranges, they both fruit and that's where the similarities end.



Gentleman, during a time when science and high society agree with racism.


Now to make your accretion in the same vein, yeah bro, if dude goes by some **** like Alec The Boy Lover Sargas (I made that name up 100%) and he's from ancient greece then it is likely Alec was a pedo bro. No accusation needed, he handed me the proof.




That said, the conflict isn't even in the acceptance of racism in our champs. It's you guys taking it as an insult against men you respect. I don't feel like I insult Jim by saying he was a racist and he wanted you to know that about him, that's why he's Gentleman Jim not Rebel Jim. He's racist, a bit of an elitist, and carries himself with pomp at all times. ... a 19th century gentleman. He was proud of himself. I'm good with it. It's you guys who want to convince me, for some reason, Gentleman Jim might maybe have harbored hidden feelings he didn't let the world know. It's you writing a conspiracy theory to cover his ass for no good reason at all.


You again being rhetorical, I meant any who opposes the significance of his pseudonym.




To that end, not one of you, because all of you are not fans of ancient and have very neutral takes on them, will come to the aid of Melankomas if I call him a boy bumper. No one here will take exception to any ancient greek being called a pedo because (1) no one is a butthurt fanboy for these names (2) It is historically accurate when dealing with ancient greeks to assume pedophilia. Do I judge them? No, they are products of their time and were told they are doing what is good and right. Doesn't change the fact Mel was a boy bumper or Jim emulated high society of his era.

[QueensburyRules]

No he didn't finance any brothel and if you claim otherwise I'm,asking you to prove it.
The Mann act was brought into law to combat White Slavery ie forced prostitution.
Johnson was convicted of transporting a woman who was not his wife across state border lines for immoral purposes.
Therefore any male who traveled from one state to another and had *** with a woman he was not married to was liable to prosecution under the Mann Act.

"The Mann Act made it a crime to transport women across state lines "for the purpose of prostitution or debauchery, or for any other immoral purpose." While designed to combat forced prostitution, the law was so broadly worded that courts held it to criminalize many forms of consensual ***ual activity, and it was soon being used as a tool for political persecution of Jack Johnson and others, as well as a tool for blackmail.

The Mann Act was born during the "white slavery" hysteria of the early 20th century."


You really shouldn't comment on these adult matters, because doing so just makes you appear almost as big a fool as your actually are.which believe me is some feat!lol

- - My word is proof enough that U basically regurgitated by adding Johnson didn't finance his Ex's brothel which is as false as U claim to have been a boxer. I dare say U snarfing French snails is as high as U ever risen...p00f

[Bronson66]

I think bringing in accusations for a specific crime is starkly differently than assuming the moral compass of a specific era.


This is apples and oranges, they both fruit and that's where the similarities end.



Gentleman, during a time when science and high society agree with racism.


Now to make your accretion in the same vein, yeah bro, if dude goes by some **** like Alec The Boy Lover Sargas (I made that name up 100%) and he's from ancient greece then it is likely Alec was a pedo bro. No accusation needed, he handed me the proof.




That said, the conflict isn't even in the acceptance of racism in our champs. It's you guys taking it as an insult against men you respect. I don't feel like I insult Jim by saying he was a racist and he wanted you to know that about him, that's why he's Gentleman Jim not Rebel Jim. He's racist, a bit of an elitist, and carries himself with pomp at all times. ... a 19th century gentleman. He was proud of himself. I'm good with it. It's you guys who want to convince me, for some reason, Gentleman Jim might maybe have harbored hidden feelings he didn't let the world know. It's you writing a conspiracy theory to cover his ass for no good reason at all.


You again being rhetorical, I meant any who opposes the significance of his pseudonym.




To that end, not one of you, because all of you are not fans of ancient and have very neutral takes on them, will come to the aid of Melankomas if I call him a boy bumper. No one here will take exception to any ancient greek being called a pedo because (1) no one is a butthurt fanboy for these names (2) It is historically accurate when dealing with ancient greeks to assume pedophilia. Do I judge them? No, they are products of their time and were told they are doing what is good and right. Doesn't change the fact Mel was a boy bumper or Jim emulated high society of his era.

I happen to be straight with 5 kids,but I would not be insulted if someone called me a ****sexual.
However, if they called me a ***** to my face, I would do my best to punch/kick the living **** out of them.
I think calling anyone a personal insult as serious as a rapist,a pimp without proof ,is gratuitously , ignorant ******ity.
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything,to be perfectly frank ,I don't care enough about the opinions of anyone on the forum sufficiently to try and dissuade them from them.

[Marchegiano]

I happen to be straight with 5 kids,but I would not be insulted if someone called me a *******ual.
However, if they called me a ***** to my face, I would do my best to punch/kick the living **** out of them.
I think calling anyone a personal insult as serious as a rapist,a pimp without proof ,is gratuitously , ignorant ******ity.
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything,to be perfectly frank ,I don't care enough about the opinions of anyone on the forum sufficiently to try and dissuade them from them.

You don't see how claiming a racist in 1895 is not an insult?

Was it insulting in 1895 to be accused of holding the white race to higher standards than all others? Nope, it was science!

You guys are claiming presentism while being the presentists!



Pedophile is not an insult in culture that glorifies pedophilia.

Racist is not an insult during science based racism.

Pedo and racist are insults now.




I apologize for any perceived insult to you personally, promise I didn't intend them to read that way. Cong**** on the wife and kids all the same.

[Bronson66]

- - My word is proof enough that U basically regurgitated by adding Johnson didn't finance his Ex's brothel which is as false as U claim to have been a boxer. I dare say U snarfing French snails is as high as U ever risen...p00f

When you make a claim ,the onus is on you to prove it,not me to disprove it.For the record you have.
NEVER BACKED UP ANY OF YOUR STATEMENTS WITH A VERIFIED SOURCE AND CONSQUENTLY
YOUR WORD IS WORTH JACK ****!