Top 5 Middleweights.....Hopkins?

[IronDanHamza]

It's not obvious to me, especially since his middleweight resume is mostly no-names fighting in the minor leagues.

Biledriver

Really?

So you're of the opinion that beating (ranked opponents);

Giardello x2, Fullmer x2, Fernandez, Hank, G,Armstrong x3, Carter, Gonzalez

Is not obviously stronger than beating

Torres x2, Rouse and Kendall?

[Biledriver]

Really?

So you're of the opinion that beating (ranked opponents);

Giardello x2, Fullmer x2, Fernandez, Hank, G,Armstrong x3, Carter, Gonzalez

Is not obviously stronger than beating

Torres x2, Rouse and Kendall?

Dude. I really don't GAF that you're a Tiger-stan. It's my list and I'm under no obligation to justify it to you or anybody else. I do things my way and don't GAF if someone doesn't like it. If someone likes my rankings, great. If they don't, they can kindly look up the letters "FO" and follow the instructions. You know, I don't recall you being such a pri ck back in the day, but apparently people can change. Jog on.

Biledriver

[IronDanHamza]

Dude. I really don't GAF that you're a Tiger-stan. It's my list and I'm under no obligation to justify it to you or anybody else. I do things my way and don't GAF if someone doesn't like it. If someone likes my rankings, great. If they don't, they can kindly look up the letters "FO" and follow the instructions. You know, I don't recall you being such a pri ck back in the day, but apparently people can change. Jog on.

Biledriver

Mate, shut the fuck up you soft cunt.

If you can't handle being challenged on your position then why the fuck are you on DISCUSSION BOARD, you clown.

You don't have a response because you're talking utter nonsense. Simple as that.

To consider Tiger's LHW career superior to his MW career is straight up retarded. It's night and day.

So either defend your position or shut the fuck up. Those are your two options.

[Biledriver]

Mate, shut the fuck up you soft cunt.

If you can't handle being challenged on your position then why the fuck are you on DISCUSSION BOARD, you clown.

You don't have a response because you're talking utter nonsense. Simple as that.

To consider Tiger's LHW career superior to his MW career is straight up retarded. It's night and day.

So either defend your position or shut the fuck up. Those are your two options.

Yup. You're gone. First off, I'm not your f* cking mate. Now feel free to look up those "FO" letters, the instructions should be easy enough that even a three-braincelled netgoblin like you to understand. You really did morph into a steaming, fly drawing, pile of shi t over the years. Oh well, you get to circle bowl with the rest of the as sholes. You can now go FYS ,,!,,

[Biledriver]

What the f* ck happened to him? I don't remember him being anything like raging as shole he's turned into

[IronDanHamza]

Yup. You're gone. First off, I'm not your f* cking mate. Now feel free to look up those "FO" letters, the instructions should be easy enough that even a three-braincelled netgoblin like you to understand. You really did morph into a steaming, fly drawing, pile of shi t over the years. Oh well, you get to circle bowl with the rest of the as sholes. You can now go FYS ,,!,,

Ohhhhh nooooo I'm "gone" Whatever will I do?

You've always been a clown. I just couldn't be bothered to engage with you because you only ever engage with people when they agree with your opinion

This is a discussion board, you know, where you debate topics? That's usually how it works. Twice now you've come at me sideways for challenging your backwards opinions. Neither time have you even attempted to defend your position and instead gone to insults like I've seen you do over and over and over again for about 20 years when you get challenged on your opinion.

That's a road I'm more than happy to go down. You went there, not me. So now we're here.

To be honest, you hadn't been on here so long I thought you were dead, more than likely killing yourself due to your pathetic existence. Sadly that clearly wasn't the case.

I told you your two options, defend your position or shut the fuck up. Decide which one it's going to be.

[Marchegiano]

The old way of dealing with weight should work in both directions. Y'all are basically awarding the past for not having so many weight divisions. Shouldn't be Hopkin's fault SMW doesn't exist during Greb's era. Likewise, if you are to nix all SMW fights from judgement then you should be forced to include all fights that would have been SMW in the post SMW.

Greb the GOAT MW based on some LHW wins but Hopkins isn't because most his best is SMW. ... ... no clear bias here.

Greb's resume as a MW at MW is a bunch of names no one ever cared about, no one ever brags about them and their own careers and achievements, and the only time you ever see their names is when someone is praising Greb.


But yeah, GOAT MW because him beat Tunney doe. Who himself has a super lacking resume but him beat Dempsey doe.


Bro, Hagler way above this milky jamook

[JAB5239]

The old way of dealing with weight should work in both directions. Y'all are basically awarding the past for not having so many weight divisions. Shouldn't be Hopkin's fault SMW doesn't exist during Greb's era. Likewise, if you are to nix all SMW fights from judgement then you should be forced to include all fights that would have been SMW in the post SMW.

Greb the GOAT MW based on some LHW wins but Hopkins isn't because most his best is SMW. ... ... no clear bias here.

Greb's resume as a MW at MW is a bunch of names no one ever cared about, no one ever brags about them and their own careers and achievements, and the only time you ever see their names is when someone is praising Greb.


But yeah, GOAT MW because him beat Tunney doe. Who himself has a super lacking resume but him beat Dempsey doe.


Bro, Hagler way above this milky jamook

I love Hagler, one of my all time favorites. But he has no all time great middleweights on his resume, whereas Greb has two, Walker and Flowers. He also had many other excellent wins there whether you think no one cared about them or not. In their era they were some of the best fighters he could face. Greb cemented his status as an ATG middle by being able to move up and dominate lightheavyweights, something Marvin never did. Hagler is undoubtedly great, bit his resume simply won't allow him to rank above Greb in my opinion.

[Marchegiano]

I love Hagler, one of my all time favorites. But he has no all time great middleweights on his resume, whereas Greb has two, Walker and Flowers. He also had many other excellent wins there whether you think no one cared about them or not. In their era they were some of the best fighters he could face. Greb cemented his status as an ATG middle by being able to move up and dominate lightheavyweights, something Marvin never did. Hagler is undoubtedly great, bit his resume simply won't allow him to rank above Greb in my opinion.

There is only one great during a truly dominant era, Hagler has no resume. Marciano has no resume either.

Missed you bro.

[IronDanHamza]

I love Hagler, one of my all time favorites. But he has no all time great middleweights on his resume, whereas Greb has two, Walker and Flowers. He also had many other excellent wins there whether you think no one cared about them or not. In their era they were some of the best fighters he could face. Greb cemented his status as an ATG middle by being able to move up and dominate lightheavyweights, something Marvin never did. Hagler is undoubtedly great, bit his resume simply won't allow him to rank above Greb in my opinion.

I’m with Jab on this one.

Hagler was a great fighter but speaking purely resume it pales in comparison to Greb’s.