Top 20 heavyweights all time

[JAB5239]

jab5239

I still don't have answers to questions. Answer them and I will project a top 20 list from 1880 to current just for you. Deal?

NOW, my questions which you have avoided for over a week. I want you thoughts not some else's.

Why is Jack Johnson your top five? He lost vs. mature men in Klon***e, Griffin, , Choyski, and Hart. He lost to the best person he faced in his lineal title matches in Willard, did not give a title match to the best 3-5 men around ( Langford, Jeannette, McVey, McCarthy, and Smith ) and drew a lot. Yet he is in you top 5? Please explain this to me in detail.

Where would you place Usyk if he retried tomorrow? In your top 20?

Liston's resume of wins lesser than many people that you rate below him and he barley defend his title. So few title defense and a lower quality of wins, why is he rated this high? Please explain in detail.

I seldom see Tyson rated above Holyfield who beat him twice. Why do you do it? Holyfield did far better vs. opponents that Tyson and he fought. Lewis, and Douglas for example. Please explain this to me, in detail.



Let's keep the thread topic and pollute other threads.

Where is your top 20 list? You said you posted it but it's still not here. You want answers you need to provide a list. If you're afraid to do that than I'm afraid you shit out of luck. I won't be bothered to respond to someone with an obvious agenda that's been played out over and over. Post you list or stop trolling.

[The D3vil]

Yeah I'm really not interested in excuses to be honest. He got battered by Buster Douglas. It's as simple as that. If Tyson wasn't prepared that's his problem.

They didn't catch him. The have the Evan Fields thing, which is obviously very suspect but it's not evidence that he used PEDs. He didn't fail any drug tests.

Neither did Lance Armstrong & he was the most tested athlete on Earth.

They literally caught Holyfield's doctor with his regiment and his name, phone number, and address.

[BKM-]

Neither did Lance Armstrong & he was the most tested athlete on Earth.

They literally caught Holyfield's doctor with his regiment and his name, phone number, and address.

Sure. But they all were. Especially Mike "I was more muscular at 15 with no weight lifting than adult natural bodybuilders who dedicate their lives to lifting" Tyson.

[IronDanHamza]

Neither did Lance Armstrong & he was the most tested athlete on Earth.

They literally caught Holyfield's doctor with his regiment and his name, phone number, and address.

Lance Armstrong admitted it.

Yeah I don’t doubt Holyfield was on something, but he didn’t fail a drug test so we don’t know.

The chances of Mike Tyson being on something is very high aswell.

[IronDanHamza]

Probably true for most professional athletes post-1990, I think. People don't realize how far back it runs: Steroids were rampant in the NFL in the 1970s.

Absolutely.

[Willie Pep 229]

Probably true for most professional athletes post-1990, I think. People don't realize how far back it runs: Steroids were rampant in the NFL in the 1970s.

Steroids is one of the reasons Dave Meggyesy (Out of Thier League) gave for quitting the NFL in 1970. He was being forced to juice.

The NFL then quickly and aggressively painted Meggyesy as a 'junkie' because he smoked marijuana. 1971, the timing was right for that accusation to work and they destroyed Meggyesy's reputation, while his warning about the forced use of steroids fell on a public with deaf ears.

After all he had the likes of Lombardi, Landry, Allan, and Nixon calling him a dirty 'hippie' so he was effectively silenced.

[Willie Pep 229]

There was also the 1972 incident where the East German Women's swim team fell off the face of the Earth.

With the announcement that 'certain drugs' would be tested for in the Munich Olympics, resulted in the sudden withdrawal of many East German female athletes from the games.

At the time we were completely ignorant of what a steroid was, and were saying 'stupid' things to eachother like: "They're giving them drugs to make them men." We knew we sounded stupid, but also believed that the Communists would try damn near anything to win.

We of course, were speaking out of our ass, but a few decades later we found that we were kind of right after all.

[Willie Pep 229]

Mike McCoy came to the Packers as the largest OT to have ever played the game, to that point. He was juiced while in college, but proved to have too slow 'feet' for the NFL and was cut.

A few years later, he redeemed himself, was off the juice, reduced his size, and had a few successful years with the Colts (with a Super Bowl Ring).

[JAB5239]

I asked you my questions before you requested mine. And I did put up quite a list of fighters. 105 to be exact, ranked by eras. If you think a 175-200 pound man rates over a much bigger and skilled modern fighter, that is your thinking. A reason why I raked eras. The game, the length of rounds, tale of the tapes, the glove size, etc... has changed! So has the international competition. Many nations did not boxing professional in the past but they do now. Funny how the last two eras is full of fighters from these nations. As I said a sports team form 40 years ago is unlikely to beat a modern team ....in any sport. Individual or team. Not that they can't win, but ....And if you protect a fantasy game for 80 years ago or more ...well that game would be IMO a mismatch.

If you want to hide from my questions, you can hide. You acquisitions are without proof! Any one can do that. I can say you have a long nose ( perhaps from lying? ), but at least I have some proof.

Why is it so difficult for you to post your top 20 heavyweights all time. Ranking the eras is not the same and you know it. Post your list and we can see how far apart we are and debate from there, on an even playing field. I said in the opening post if you want to criticize post your list. If you don't want to post it I'm not going to bother with you. You can wonder why all you want. I know it's eating you alive. Just know this, on average almost two dozen historians rate Johnson higher than myself. There is a reason for this. They have their's, I have mine. I'm more than open to discuss when we see how far apart we are.

[QueensburyRules]

- - Sorry to hear some of you boys is juiced…