Top 20 heavyweights all time

[JAB5239]

Most of these men are dead and in many cases did not live past the year of 1980. Atlas is a clown.

Steve Farhood is not. He is in the media and part of his list has to do with popularity. He is not a historian, rather he is well read.

I asked you why you think he is so high. Not for you to fetch a list of other names. Any one who knows how to use the web can do that 5th best of all time? Not a chance. He lost, and drew way to often and would be destroyed at heavyweight if he fought today. Again I asked for your reasoning. Not for dead men and media clowns like Atlas.

Again read what I said, you don't know what you talking about, said nothing on Liston, barely explained why Tyson is high

I'll tell you what, why dont you go find the dates "most" of these boxing historians died. After you do that we'll take the average year of death, add it to 2024 for those still living and divide it by the number of historians. Ill make a bet with you, lets say a ban bet that the average year of death is within the last 30 years. This means the loser will have to come back as an alt, something you seem to despise. Could be me.....if youre up to it. Dont like that bet? Here's another one for you. Come up with 22 boxing historians who's work we can look up in published articles that don't rank Johnson in the top 10 all time. Same deal.

You seem to want to discredit everyone who doesn't agree with your take on Johnson, so the least you can do is post those who do.

I've seen your ridiculous postings about Johnson in the classic section of ESB (where you're banned from), you are looking to troll and degrade. You want answers, but I don't answer to you and cannot be baited by someone who won't even provide their own top 20, as specified in the very first post of this thread.

Now, about that bet?

[Biledriver]

I'll tell you what, why dont you go find the dates "most" of these boxing historians died. After you do that we'll take the average year of death, add it to 2024 for those still living and divide it by the number of historians. Ill make a bet with you, lets say a ban bet that the average year of death is within the last 30 years. This means the loser will have to come back as an alt, something you seem to despise. Could be me.....if youre up to it. Dont like that bet? Here's another one for you. Come up with 22 boxing historians who's work we can look up in published articles that don't rank Johnson in the top 10 all time. Same deal.

You seem to want to discredit everyone who doesn't agree with your take on Johnson, so the least you can do is post those who do.

I've seen your ridiculous postings about Johnson in the classic section of ESB (where you're banned from), you are looking to troll and degrade. You want answers, but I don't answer to you and cannot be baited by someone who won't even provide their own top 20, as specified in the very first post of this thread.

Now, about that bet?

Dr Zit always seems to have an agenda in every thread he posts in. Since you mention ESB, it's obvious this is nothing new for him.

[Bronson66]

Dr Zit always seems to have an agenda in every thread he posts in. Since you mention ESB, it's obvious this is nothing new for him.

You must be another Alt !

[Dr. Z]

Dr Zit always seems to have an agenda in every thread he posts in. Since you mention ESB, it's obvious this is nothing new for him.

A 19 total post agenda driven dude? Get lost.

[Dr. Z]

I'll tell you what, why dont you go find the dates "most" of these boxing historians died. After you do that we'll take the average year of death, add it to 2024 for those still living and divide it by the number of historians. Ill make a bet with you, lets say a ban bet that the average year of death is within the last 30 years. This means the loser will have to come back as an alt, something you seem to despise. Could be me.....if youre up to it. Dont like that bet? Here's another one for you. Come up with 22 boxing historians who's work we can look up in published articles that don't rank Johnson in the top 10 all time. Same deal.

You seem to want to discredit everyone who doesn't agree with your take on Johnson, so the least you can do is post those who do.

I've seen your ridiculous postings about Johnson in the classic section of ESB (where you're banned from), you are looking to troll and degrade. You want answers, but I don't answer to you and cannot be baited by someone who won't even provide their own top 20, as specified in the very first post of this thread.

Now, about that bet?

No réponse from you on why you rate him #5 of all time except of course to copy and paste mostly dead men's thoughts? Yep. I'll leave it you to find the average death of the past names, I have no interest of doing that.

I said I will provide 50+ names, all ranked once you stop and answer my questions, cowboy.

Here's what I think, you are 1 ) afraid to answer my questions you own thoughts 2 ) your boxing knowledge is rather limited and 3 ) your nose is growing even longer.

Was Pinocchio a Cowboy fan? I don't know, check cowboys dot com

[JAB5239]

No réponse from you on why you rate him #5 of all time except of course to copy and paste mostly dead men's thoughts? Yep. I'll leave it you to find the average death of the past names, I have no interest of doing that.

I said I will provide 50+ names, all ranked once you stop and answer my questions, cowboy.

Here's what I think, you are 1 ) afraid to answer my questions you own thoughts 2 ) your boxing knowledge is rather limited and 3 ) your nose is growing even longer.

Was Pinocchio a Cowboy fan? I don't know, check cowboys dot com

Who are the dead men, and why don't you want to take the bet? It's not like you would never be able to post here if you lost, you'd just have to use an alt. I said from the very beginning that if you want to criticize my list than post your own. After that we can have an open discussion. And by the way, you shouldn't make things up. I haven't copies and pasted anyone's thoughts but my own.

[Dr. Z]

[QUOTE=JAB5239;n32294622]

Who are the dead men, and why don't you want to take the bet? It's not like you would never be able to post here if you lost, you'd just have to use an alt. I said from the very beginning that if you want to criticize my list than post your own. After that we can have an open discussion. And by the way, you shouldn't make things up. I haven't copies and pasted anyone's thoughts but my own.[/QUOTE



Nat Fleischer 1971 Johnson #1
Nigel Collins #6
Charlie Rose #2
Bert Sugar 2011 #3
Nate Loubet #4
Gilbert Od
Teddy Atlas #3
John Duran #2
Mike Casey #4
Terry Connolly #3
Bill Brennan (former WBA president) #4
Tyson Bruce #4
Arthur Harris #4
Matt Hamilton #3
Richard Obrien #5
Herb Goldman #6 ?
Steve Farhood #3
Traci Callis #2


The ones in red are deceased. Most of the others I have never heard of or didn't bother to look them up to check the obituaries. The youngest man on the list Is either Atlas or Farhood. They are alive. I am familiar with Callis and have conserved with the man before. I have heard of Casey, who is fantastic writer.

Now can you list you own thoughts. I have a list of 50 names to post when you first answer my question with your own thoughts. I promise its is rather detailed..

Once again why do you think, not 65+ year old men or the deceased men thoughts. All of the living names never saw Johnson alive and unless they are boxing film guru's have not seen what I have.

Why is Jack Johnson your top five? He lost vs. mature men in Klon***e, Griffin, , Choyski, and Hart. He lost to the best person he faced in his lineal title matches in Willard, did not give a title match to the best 3-5 men around ( Langford, Jeannette, McVey, McCarthy, and Smith ) and drew a lot. Yet he is in you top 5? Please explain.

Where would you place Usyk if he retried tomorrow?

Liston's resume of wins lesser than many people that you rate below him and he barley defend his title. So few title defense and a lower quality of wins, why is he rated this high?

I seldom see Tyson rated above Holyfield who beat him twice. Why do you do it

[Biledriver]

You must be another Alt !

Only The Shadow knows

[Biledriver]

A 19 total post agenda driven dude? Get lost.

My post count is irrelevant. Your constant agenda pushing isn't, nor is your constant derailing of threads with your anti-fighter crusades and petty juvenile fighting. If you're going to peddle bullsh* t at least you could do is be honest and upfront about it instead of denigrating fighters and blowing dog whistles. But you're incapable of honesty and I suspect if you were open about where you're coming from you'd cop a ban very quickly. I've told you before: I've been on sports forums a LONG time and I've seen your kind from day 1. You aren't original and if I've seen one of you I've seen ALL of you: You're all the same in the end, and you're all a waste of my time.

[Bronson66]

My post count is irrelevant. Your constant agenda pushing isn't, nor is your constant derailing of threads with your anti-fighter crusades and petty juvenile fighting. If you're going to peddle bullsh* t at least you could do is be honest and upfront about it instead denigrating fighters and blowing dog whistles. But you're incapable of honesty and I suspect if you were open about where you're coming from you'd cop a ban very quickly. I've told you before: I've been on sports forums a LONG time and I've seen your kind from day 1. You aren't original and if I've seen one of you I've seen ALL of you: You're all the same in the end, and you're all a waste of my time.

You are definitely an Alt! lol