Top 20 heavyweights all time

[IronDanHamza]

Armstrong didn't "admit" it, everybody he knew including his teammates & their wives exposed him and EVENTUALLY he had to admit it.

Right, so he did admit it How can you say he didn't admit it followed by saying he admitted it. We know he did it, because he admitted it. Like we know Shane Mosley did it because he admitted it. Holyfield hasn't admitted it so we can't say the same for him.

Mike Tyson was the most famous athlete on Earth in the late '80s/early '90s and none of his sparring partners or doctors or even Teddy Atlas who hated him & put a gun to his head, said he was juicing at his peak

And?

That isn't an argument.

[IronDanHamza]

He was a fat kid when Stewart found him. He was still soft when he was training for a while. There are photos proving this, but Tyson fans always post a 15 or 16 year old Tyson who had already been using PED's for a good while and then they pretend that he was 12-13 in those photos, that's how dishonest they are.

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200lbs of pure muscle my arse.

But he quickly exploded with muscle growth with his brow ridge expanding, jawline, hands and feet becoming massive etc. A steady diet of mostly HGH as it was quite standard in 80s sports.

Tyson has some of the most obvious HGH signs all over his body, one of the most blatant cases ever. No regular human looks like him, he looks almost mutant. That's not genetics, that's 80s HGH.

Don't believe me? Take it from the man himself, he admitted he used a fake penis to pass his drug tests.

It could be. Incredibly unlikely but it's possible.

But I am in total agreement with you on this one.

If there's a poster boy for a suspected PED user, I think Mike Tyson is definitely up there as one of them.

[JAB5239]

I put up another list an intend to have my questions answered first. Let's see if that happens.

Lmao.....so even though in my opening post I said if you're going to criticize than put up your own list. You're choosing to ignore that and act like an infantile child that is going to whine until he gets his way. Sorry, not in this thread, and I posted the reason why. I don't even care about your list any anymore. I don't cave when my own kids whine about something. I'm certainly not going to cave to a child on the internet.

[billeau2]

I put up another list an intend to have my questions answered first. Let's see if that happens.

[Bronson66]

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Lmao.....so even though in my opening post I said if you're going to criticize than put up your own list. You're choosing to ignore that and act like an infantile child that is going to whine until he gets his way. Sorry, not in this thread, and I posted the reason why. I don't even care about your list any anymore. I don't cave when my own kids whine about something. I'm certainly not going to cave to a child on the internet. [/QUOTE




I did put up my own list of my thoughts. A rather detailed one. You simply did not like my criteria. LMAO @ you. Now you are moving goal posts, not keeping your word that you are done with me in this thread ( I heard that a few times in a week ), and hopefully answering my questions which I asked you first, but like a child won't answer them. You are incapable of being an adult and answering someone else questions first.

The thread is entitled the 20 The Twenty Heavyweights Of All Time .
For whatever reason you haven't done that.

You made a separate thread listing your top 15 heavyweights by20 years intervals
Here is your post.
"Enclosed are my top 15 ranked heavyweights by 20 year intervals.".
That is an entirely different thing.To pretend otherwise is , well I will not go there.
Why not be honest and just say I am not prepared to post my list of The Top 20 Heavyweights Of All Time?
Why pretend you satisfied the criteria of the original thread when it is obvious you didn't?
I don't understand that.

[Bronson66]

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I said I would post a head to head top 20 list once he answered my question, which he has not. Sorry. Besides he says,

If you are not going to post what he specifically asked for,why post at all?

[JAB5239]

I did put up my own list of my thoughts. A rather detailed one. You simply did not like my criteria. LMAO @ you. Now you are moving goal posts, not keeping your word that you are done with me in this thread ( I heard that a few times in a week ), and hopefully answering my questions which I asked you first, but like a child won't answer them. You are incapable of being an adult and answering someone else questions first.

Let me explain what you did so you will maybe have a better understanding. Say I go into your thread of best heavyweights of their era's and post my top 20 all time heavyweights. It really has nothing to do with the thread esides the fact all were heavyweights fighters, does it? You don't just get to change the rules of a thread because you want the topic to go in a certain direction.

[The D3vil]

He was a fat kid when Stewart found him. He was still soft when he was training for a while. There are photos proving this, but Tyson fans always post a 15 or 16 year old Tyson who had already been using PED's for a good while and then they pretend that he was 12-13 in those photos, that's how dishonest they are.

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200lbs of pure muscle my arse.

But he quickly exploded with muscle growth with his brow ridge expanding, jawline, hands and feet becoming massive etc. A steady diet of mostly HGH as it was quite standard in 80s sports.

Tyson has some of the most obvious HGH signs all over his body, one of the most blatant cases ever. No regular human looks like him, he looks almost mutant. That's not genetics, that's 80s HGH.

Don't believe me? Take it from the man himself, he admitted he used a fake penis to pass his drug tests.

Dude, HGH doesn't show up on drug tests

Yeah, and Tyson admitted to taking ******* & marijuana, genius

Also, was it fat that Bobby Stewart's ribs & jaw?

Also, where does a poor kid from Brownsville afford an extensive HGH/steroid program at 14 years old?

[The D3vil]

Doctors are legally bound to keep their mouths shut. Why would a sparring partner know Tyson was juicing unless he was supplying it to him, in other words incriminating himself as well? Teddy Atlas was his head trainer, you think he's gonna say he shot up his own student with the pharmacy's entire supply?

Very bad arguments. Why don't we stick to actual arguments, like Tyson admitting he used a fake penis to cheat his drug tests and 2-The fact that pro boxing wasn't even testing against PED's untill the 90s(and these were tests done on set dates so all the fighters could properly cycle and get a clean test) so he was free to use whatever he wanted.

Yes, let's talk about how it'd be stxpid to bring up Tyson using a fake penis to take HGH, when HGH doesn't show up in pxss tests

And Cxke & weed is the only thing Tyson has ever been accused of taking credibly or tested positive for.

Now, you're also accusing Teddy Atlas of being involved in drugs now, when Atlas is one of the BIGGEST detractors of drugs in the damn sport.

He thinks drugs make you a WORSE fighter and is one of the reasons todays fighters aren't as good as the fighters in the past.

He thinks being overly muscled makes fighters slower & more likely to get injured

He extensively goes into this in Mike Silver's "The Arc of Boxing"

But at least you've exposed yourself as completely talking out of you @ss

[IronDanHamza]

Dude, HGH doesn't show up on drug tests

Yeah, and Tyson admitted to taking ******* & marijuana, genius

Also, was it fat that Bobby Stewart's ribs & jaw?

Also, where does a poor kid from Brownsville afford an extensive HGH/steroid program at 14 years old?

What do you mean by this?

The last point is a fallacious argument. "Poor people" can get their hands on PEDs all the time, depending on who is around them.

It's also not overly expensive, depending on the cycle and compound(s)