What evidence do we have that heavyweights were too small in the past to compete today? and what determines a fighters size?

[Ivich]

That's nonsense, and a pu$$y way out.

The ABC limit is 200, the WBC is currently trying to get a 220 division accepted. It's really that simple.

You have two different eras with two different weight limits and not one example of the weight limit ever broken, but, you can show the WBC conceding their rules to the ABC. Cool.

190s boxers stopped being HWs because they're all scared. But you used to be a boxer for 20 years doe Sure pal.

No ,You got comprehensively owned and I proved it with examples.You can put silly little emoticons up whenever you want they will not change the fact that you don't know WTF you are talking about .

[Willie Pep 229]

As I stated a WBC champion can fight a WBC champion at the different weight provided he asks for permission.No permission is needed if the fighter is from another alphabet organization.I literally read the WBC rules lass than an hour ago.

I believe we are in agreement. No limitations between recognized HWs (195 plus).

Regarding the sanctioning bodies I am ignorant.

But for a wide weight discrepancy fight under 195 commission approval is needed.

At your leisure could you post the sanctioning body rules or a link to them, I would like to read them?

[Marchegiano]

No ,You got comprehensively owned and I proved it with examples.You can put silly little emoticons up whenever you want they will not change the fact that you don't know WTF you are talking about .

That's funny.


If you had been a boxer for 20 years then you'd know it really comes down to getting a doctor to sign off on a fight. Had you any actual experience in HW you'd know this becomes difficult at 60 pounds difference or better because of laws, not rules set by bodies, laws made by elected officials and their unelected bureauc****.

You'd know this stuff if you weren't 100% full of ****.

Likewise you'd know it's a doctor who determines you weight division and actually the commissions are more lenient that the bodies. The bodies prevent sub 200 HWs from being sanctioned. As far as most commissions are concerned the minimum for HW is still the 190s. You'd know this if you were who you say you are.

Had you spent anytime you could have found this out through boxrec alone. it is reflected in the levels of fighters. You can't find a world level sub 200 because there's no such category. You can find a Nevada club fighter fighting under a promotion in the 190s at HW. You'd know this if you were not full of ****.

There are plenty of holes in what I've claimed. Unfortunately for you, you didn't know any of them until I just told you. Just now. Likewise in your ignorance you were unable to manipulate the actual facts in your favor. Rather than conflating the WBC's position on BW with the ABC's position on CW


You are wrong, but, you could have done a better job at appearing to be right.


That's exposed. Just like what I did with your Marciano bias. You ain't hard work bud, don't know what made you think you might be.

[Ivich]

i believe we are in agreement. No limitations between recognized hws (195 plus).

Regarding the sanctioning bodies i am ignorant.

But for a wide weight discrepancy fight under 195 commission approval is needed.

At your leisure could you post the sanctioning body rules or a link to them, i would like to read them?

I'm not ignorant about them because I took the trouble to look them up,unlike those that disagree with me in a knee jerk reaction.

Its gone 1 a.m. here. I'm off to bed.I need some rest I have a party to attend tomorrow. A jazz gig Sunday
a funeral Monday. Then flying out to Mauritius Tuesday

[them_apples]

Yeah but you're wrong.

When the minimum was 190 we had 190s HWs. As the minimum became 200, 100% of the 190s HWs went away.

Are you telling me, have you the neck to claim, every man weighing 190 pounds is too scared to fight any man weighing 200 pounds. Sanctioned HW fights featuring 190s HW died when CW moved to 200. TF else do you need jabroni?

This is a really good point. We literally stopped seeing 190 lbs heavyweights as soon as they made it a different division. This is the most obvious reason. Because lets be real, 250 lb heavyweights have ALWAYS existed. The 185-190 lbders left as soon as it wasn’t their weight class

IMO you really are winning this argument. You bring up better points than me the OP. I am getting a bit tired of ignorant responses. Sooner or later people need to actually think.

[thebrownbomber_]

But none of those you named were 5'10 and 185lbs,with a 68in reach and, all of them were BIG enough to beat any sized heavyweight.simply because, at over 6ft and 200lbs plus, they were GOOD enough.
Which totally supports my opinion.

Yeah some old heads are absolutely absurd when they claim bloated LHWs like patterson and marciano would defeat 6’6 behemoths like wilder. They weren’t even true heavyweights objectively speaking. Also Marcianos skill set wasn’t as polished as AJs imo.

[Slugfester]

im not ignorant about them because i took the trouble to look them up,unlike those that disagree with me in a knee jerk reaction.

Its gone 1 am here. I'm off to bed.i need some rest i have a party to attend tommorow. A jazz gig sunday
a funeral monday. Then flying out to mauritius tuesday

May we expect the pleasure of your pleasant posts from Mauritius?

[Ivich]

May we expect the pleasure of your pleasant posts from Mauritius?

You will be relieved to know that the internet in Grand Baie is very iffy.

You Apples ,Margarino, and C Fang? can have 2 weeks of fun turning on each other.

I post in the History forum for my own amusement and also to learn things, retirement means I have plenty of leisure time.

I post in the Lounge purely to yank the chain of right wing attack dogs because it amuses me to see how quickly they resort to calling anyone who disagrees with them, a ******,Fairy,Commie, Pinko.Marxist ,and best of all ,A Walking Glory Hole!

Judging by my last years visit to Grand Baie ,I shall have very little time to devote to such pleasantries,being fully occupied drinking Mojitos and Bohemia beer in, the Coco Loco,The Banana Bar,The Trojan Horse Bar,and the Insomnia night club.


I hope my many fans here with not be too dissapointed?

[Ivich]

This is a really good point. We literally stopped seeing 190 lbs heavyweights as soon as they made it a different division. This is the most obvious reason. Because lets be real, 250 lb heavyweights have ALWAYS existed. The 185-190 lbders left as soon as it wasnât their weight class

IMO you really are winning this argument. You bring up better points than me the OP. I am getting a bit tired of ignorant responses. Sooner or later people need to actually think.

We are not worthy of you.

[QueensburyRules]

You will be relieved to know that the internet in Grand Baie is very iffy.

You Apples ,Margarino, and C Fang? can have 2 weeks of fun turning on each other.

I post on the HIstory for my own amusement and also to learn things, retirement means I have plenty of leisure time.

I post in the Lounge purely to yank the chain of right wing attack dogs because it amuses me to see how quickly they resort to calling anyone who disagrees with them, a ******,Fairy,Commie, Pinko.Marxist ,and best of all ,A Walking Glory Hole!

Judging by my last years visit to Grand Baie ,I shall have very little time to devote to such pleasantries,being fully occupied drinking Mojitos and Bohemia beer in, the Coco Loco,The Banana Bar,The Trojan Horse Bar,and the Insomnia night club.


I hope my many fans here with not be too dissapointed?

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