What evidence do we have that heavyweights were too small in the past to compete today? and what determines a fighters size?

[Marchegiano]

Yes those are the weight divisions.I boxed for nearly 20 years, I am fully aware of them.
NOW PRODUCE A RULING THAT SAYS NO BOXER UNDER 200LBS CAN CHALLENGE FOR THE HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE?

Either you have problems with reading comprehension, or you willfully misread and misrepresent what others type?

Which is it?

ps.Still think Marciano ko's Ali?

Does is say 224 minimum?


How about the rules that cover all weight divisions? You're sitting here telling me there's an exception at HW without ANY proof of their being an exception at HW while ignoring a **** ton of proof there is no exception at HW.


No body lists an exception. They do list minimums

No human has fought below the minimum.

You're over here staking your entire argument on the idea that since there is no rule singling out HW minimum there must not be a HW minimum like as if there are not rules that cover weight limits period and what happens when a fighter misses weight.


There is no exceptional ruling listed at HW outside of its upper limit. By anyone. But you are claiming an exception.



tard.

[Ivich]

Does is say 224 minimum?


How about the rules that cover all weight divisions? You're sitting here telling me there's an exception at HW without ANY proof of their being an exception at HW while ignoring a **** ton of proof there is no exception at HW.


No body lists an exception. They do list minimums

No human has fought below the minimum.

You're over here staking your entire argument on the idea that since there is no rule singling out HW minimum there must not be a HW minimum like as if there are not rules that cover weight limits period and what happens when a fighter misses weight.


There is no exceptional ruling listed at HW outside of its upper limit. By anyone. But you are claiming an exception.



tard.

I say minimum to be classified as a heavyweight it does not ANYWHERE state that anyone below that weight cannot box heavyweights?
Do stop with the spin!
ARE YOU OR ARE YOU NOT GOING TO PRODUCE A RULING THAT PROVES I AM WRONG

[Marchegiano]

I say minimum to be classified as a heavyweight it does not ANYWHERE state that anyone below that weight cannot box heavyweights?
Do stop with the spin!
ARE YOU OR ARE YOU NOT GOING TO PRODUCE A RULING THAT PROVES I AM WRONG

Yes, they all do. They all define weight divisions. They all define what happens to a boxer who does not meet those weight requirements. No sanctioning body makes any exception for any weight division except for the upper limit of HW.


You are the one claiming an exception to the rules without a rule to cite. Dumbass.

[Ivich]

https://wbcboxing.com/en/know-the-boxing-divisions/


Already showed you this once.


Is the WBC wrong?



There are weight divisions. Those weight divisions are clearly defined. No one has broken the limits of those weight divisions, and the ONLY exception listed is the lack of maximum at heavyweight. Not a lack of minimum.

Please read the following carefully.
In 2011 Tomasz Adamek challenged Vitali KIitchko for the WBC heavyweight title,

ADAMEK WEIGHED 216LBS.
In 2010 Adamek fought Chris Arreola for the IBF International title and the WBO North American Heavyweight title.

ADAMEK WEIGHED 217LBS.



In 2015 Deontay Wilder won the WBC Heavyweight title from Bermane Stiverne.

WILDER WEIGHED 219LBS.

In 218 Wilder defended his WBC title against Luis Ortiz.

WILDER WEIGHED 214 3/4LBS

In 2018 Wilder defended his WBC title against Tyson Fury
WILDER WEIGHED 2121/2 LBS

In 2019 Wilder again defended his WBC title against Ortiz

WILDER WEIGHED 219 1/2LBS


In2023 Wilder fought Joseph Parker for the WBC International Heavyweight title and the WB0 Intercontinental title.

WILDER WEIGHED 213 LBS

[them_apples]

FRAZIERS BEST WEIGHT WAS 205LBS AT 5FT 11IN, ALL HE DID AGAINST FOREMAN WAS ADD 9LBS OF FAT TO HIS FRAME .
Fights in which size played a role.
Monzon v Napoles.
Canelo v Khan
Valuev v Ruiz
Wlad vMormeck
Louis v Conn
Carnera v Loughran
Dempsey v Carpentier
Johnson v Willard
Maxim v Robinson
Griffith v Charnley
Golvkin v Brook
Jeffries v Fitzsimmons 1
Jeffries v Fitzsimmons 2
Jeffries v Sharkey 1
Jeffries v Sharkey 2
Jeffries v Corbett1
Jeffries v Corbett2
Johnson v Burns
Johnson V Ketchel
Sharkey v Delaney
Sharkey v Loughran 1
Schmeling v Walker
Moore v Olson
Frazier v Foster
Ali v Foster
Liston v Patterson 1
Liston v Patterson2
Wlad v Haye
Wlad v Mormeck
Bowe v Holyfield1
Bowe v Holyfield 3
Bowe v Hide
Vitali v Hide
Fury v Wilder3
Fullmer v Paret
Golovkin v Brook

??????? This is literally my argument. What a foolish thing to say. YOU dispute my claims on a mans actual size then go on to say Frazier is just blown up.

THEY ALL ARE BLOWN UP

wilder has gone from 212 -230 in one year, and he looks blown up even at 212.

is Fury not carrying 50+ lbs of excess weight on his skinny fat knock kneed build?

[Marchegiano]

Please read the following carefully.
In 2011 Tomasz Adamek challenged Vitali KIitchko for the WBC heavyweight title,

ADAMEK WEIGHED 216LBS.
In 2010 Adamek fought Chris Arreola for the IBF International title and the WBO North American Heavyweight title.

ADAMEK WEIGHED 217LBS.



In 2015 Deontay Wilder won the WBC Heavyweight title from Bermane Stiverne.

WILDER WEIGHED 219LBS.

In 218 Wilder defended his WBC title against Luis Ortiz.

WILDER WEIGHED 214 3/4LBS

In 2018 Wilder defended his WBC title against Tyson Fury
WILDER WEIGHED 2121/2 LBS

In 2019 Wilder again defended his WBC title against Ortiz

WILDER WEIGHED 219 1/2LBS


In2023 Wilder fought Joseph Parker for the WBC International Heavyweight title and the WB0 Intercontinental title.

WILDER WEIGHED 213 LBS

Okay?

TF is your point?

[N/A]

Yes, they all do. They all define weight divisions. They all define what happens to a boxer who does not meet those weight requirements. No sanctioning body makes any exception for any weight division except for the upper limit of HW.


You are the one claiming an exception to the rules without a rule to cite. Dumbass.

He firmly believes a middleweight (for example) is free to challenge a heavyweight and the sanctioning bodies will be fine with that.

[Marchegiano]

He firmly believes a middleweight (for example) is free to challenge a heavyweight and the sanctioning bodies will be fine with that.

I know bud, he's been saying it for years. Dude's delusional.

Sad, claims to have boxed for 20 years but doesn't understand how weight divisions work.

[Ivich]

He firmly believes a middleweight (for example) is free to challenge a heavyweight and the sanctioning bodies will be fine with that.

There is no rule that prohibits a man under 200lbs challenging for the heavyweight title.That is what I believe ,that is what I know,and that is what I said.
The WBC has a ruling that one of their champions must ask for permission to challenge for a WBC title in another weight division .
To my knowledge that permission has never been refused.
Perhaps you would like to provide examples when that request has been refused?
The WBC has no objection with boxers recognized as champions by other organizations stepping out of their weight class and challenging their champions provided the necessary sanction fees are complied with.
I know this because I have actually read their rule book!

Do stop with the spin about middleweights challenging modern heavyweights, I never suggested that and you know it.
A middleweight challenge to a modern heavyweight champion would never be sanctioned because it would not be financially viable.

Because nobody would pay to watch a foregone conclusion!

[Ivich]

Okay?

TF is your point?

My point is the WBC is fine with men under their 220lbs limit which YOU cited, fighting their heavyweight champions.