Analysis of Jack Johnsons style.

[Ivich]

First off Johnon's clinching style of hitting and holding didn't work vs. Willard or Batting Johnson because they were bigger and stronger and in their primes.


It only worked vs the smaller men, men who were past their primes as I said.


Secondly you must have missed my joke about the colored title not changing hands, even when Joshnon was losing the fight he belted Jeanette and Johsnon was DQ!


Johnson's listed weight was 185 lbs in 1902. Show me he was, a super middleweight in this fight? You said he was a super middle vs. Griffin in 1901? BS, you lie.

Finally, the heights and weight of many of Johnson's opponents are wrong. Griffin 206 lbs when he fought Johnon?? And Jeffries was 6'1 '1/2 inches tall. And Black Bill was under 200 pounds. He was smaller and lighter than Johnons as reported in 1904. Johnson never weighed more than 190 lbs in 1904 and earlier. String bean Martin was 180 pounds vs Jack Johnson!

You still suck after all these years. Lies, and bad data.

Dog-bone -dog -bone-dog-bone.
It's known as the trigger mechanism certain triggers create reflex actions.
In your case the word Johnson, or any of the weird and wonderful alternatives you have created,induce in you a compulsive reflex,to rush into print and type gobbledy****!

Living proof that Pavlov was right,though of course he was experimenting on dogs , more intelligent creatures than you lol.


Joshnon? Johsnon? Johnon?Johnons?

How many ways are there to spell JOHNSON?

[them_apples]

No, you dolt, he was lucky to draw vs. Battling Johnson and was Ko'd by Willard! They out weighed him and were stronger. Again Johnson's style of clinching and fouling only worked vs. the old, inactive, light and very young in general.

There are of course exceptions such as Choyski and Hart beat Johnson and the mobile Jack O'brien settled for a news draw. And he was beat by the past his best Hank Griffin. Of course Johnson kept his colored title in these matches as he managed to do when he was DQ'd by low blowing Jeanette.

You can't make this stuff up .... it happened.

Now tell us it didn't.

in boxing you want to be skinny. Thats what people don’t get.

Foreman, Tyson and Marciano WERE skinny, just thats how they look skinny genetically

you keep thinking that if they don’t weigh 250 lbs they must not be good. But really them being skinny strong is one factor that actually made them good.

duran could beat beat up a heavyweight back as a lightweight given it was the right heavyweight. Weight doesnt mean everything

[QueensburyRules]

Vitali made the decision to retire,his coach can be heard saying,"it will be alright," to which he responds ,"no it hurts too much". Joe Louis fought top ten ranked contenders,he did not cherry pick and he gave rematches.Don't compare him to the Klits!

- - U better suited to Tiddlywinks, the whole reason why you quit boxing.

[Dr. Z]

in boxing you want to be skinny. Thats what people donâÂÂt get.

Foreman, Tyson and Marciano WERE skinny, just thats how they look skinny genetically

you keep thinking that if they donâÂÂt weigh 250 lbs they must not be good. But really them being skinny strong is one factor that actually made them good.

duran could beat beat up a heavyweight back as a lightweight given it was the right heavyweight. Weight doesnt mean everything

Duran could beat a heavyweight? Let us keep to focus on Johnson. To you point he lost a lot and drew to smaller men under 200 pounds!

[Ivich]

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- - U better suited to Tiddlywinks, the whole reason why you quit boxing.

You are right .I was never anything special, but at least I tried.

Why don't you tell us about your own pugilistic experiences ?

[Slugfester]

Johnson hard to evaluate in mythical matchups because of his style. How would he adapt to modern runners who are averse to clinching? Unknown. Did he have some replies fort that we never got to see?

[Ivich]

Johnson hard to evaluate in mythical matchups because of his style. How would he adapt to modern runners who are averse to clinching? Unknown. Did he have some replies fort that we never got to see?

True,but we know he could handle good jabbers.Denver Ed Martin at 6'31/2" with an 801/2" reach was considered the best jabber of his era.Johnson, at 180lbs gave him 23 pounds , took a decision off him.and later stopped him.
As you say mobile guys might be problematical for him.Burns was fast afoot but too small.

[them_apples]

True,but we know he could handle good jabbers.Denver Ed Martin at 6'31/2" with an 801/2" reach was considered the best jabber of his era.Johnson, at 180lbs gave him 23 pounds , took a decision off him.and later stopped him.
As you say mobile guys might be problematical for him.Burns was fast afoot but too small.

I doubt mobile guys will do much. Hell just wait and then wehn they get close nullify and clinch them. They might move around but they won’t land anything

[Willow The Wisp]

Johnson, such an amazing fighter and significant figure in history.

He broke the long held concept of racial superiority almost single handedly between 1908 and 1910.

Another proclamation; Jess Willard = or > Vitali Klitschko.

[Ivich]

I doubt mobile guys will do much. Hell just wait and then wehn they get close nullify and clinch them. They might move around but they wonât land anything

I tend to agree but am trying to be objective.

Some perspective on Johnson's fights with Battling Jim ,and Willard.



Jack v Battling Jim .
"During the first three rounds he was obviously playing with his opponent. After that it was observed that he was only using his right hand. When the fight was over he complained that his arm had been injured. Doctors who made an examination certified to a slight fracture of the radius of the left arm. The general opinion is that his arm was injured in a wrestling match early in the week, and that a blow to-night caused the fracture of the bone."

The Referee's opinion of the Willard v Johnson fight.
"After the fight, referee Jack Welch said: "If I had been compelled to give a decision at the end of the twenty-fifth round, it would have been Johnson's by a wide margin. Up to the twentieth round, Willard had one won only one round by a real margin and two or three others by the slightest shade. In the thirteenth and fourteenth, I was almost sure Johnson would knock Willard out, but Willard showed that his jaw and body were too tough. Johnson put up a wonderful fight to the twentieth round, but age stepped in then and defeated him."
Johnson was 37 years old and 225lbs,31 lbs more than he had scaled when he won the title from Burns,7 years earlier.