Analysis of Jack Johnsons style.

[cfang]

Johnson was the greatest heavy of his era and one of the greatest fighters ever. You can pick holes in any fighter’s record but he was the best heavy in the world for ten years and the undisputed champion for 7. He also had to handle the most outrageous racism and he fought accordingly. He is without question better than his results suggest and was clearly more superior than his peers too. Legend of the sport and one of the most important figures in sporting history.

[Ivich]

There are FACTS, just like Johnson, the heavyweight champion of the world was KO early by a man weighing in the 170's, floored by a super middleweight and out boxed by another by primary sources! Just like he was lucky to draw vs Journeyman Battling Johnson. Some champion.

Just like he holds wins over novices in Sam Mcvey, and Joe Jeatnnete. You conveniently forget this, so I am here to remind you and the others who read you dirvel.

Admit it dude, you like the freemason wife beater for brotherly reasons

I think he is overrated and like you a lousy human being.

Now I am not going to reply to switch bait tactics of Jeffries or Louis who have zero to do with the OP's point and thread.

You bring up the journeyman Ferguson 33-22-14. Yeah he was something else, right?

Just facts. The man lies and has the nerve to call me a liar?

Johnson was kod by Joe Choynski and according to Adam Pollack who has written a two volume biography of him which has received excellent revues ,Johnson himself weighed in the 170s when they fought.Ten months earlier Johnson had weighed 168lbs for a fight with Jim McCormick
Battling Johnson drew with both Langford and Jeannette neither of whom had a broken arm when they fought him as Johnson did.
Johnson was not lucky to draw with Battling Jim ,I have the round by round writeup courtesy of Adam .

Jeannette had 22 fights when he last lost to Johnson,that is not a novice.

McVey was the man whom Jeffries refused to fight although he was guaranteed a good purse to do so.Johnson beat him 3 times.

Johnson is not one of my favourite fighters at all. I just intensely dislike lying ,agenda driven haters like yourself who will repeatedly lie through their teeth no matter how many times they are corrected.

Johnson being a Free Mason has nothing to do with this discussion.Robinson was a Mason too and although I admire him as a fighter I dislike him as a man.
I do however admire Jack Dempsey both as a fighter and as a man,and he was a Mason.
You Sir are a piece of ****.
Why don't you spend a little less time hating on Johnson, and more time learning how to read and write properly?

My three greatest heavyweights are in no order," Ali.Johnson, and Louis"Eddie Futch.

[them_apples]

You can see how his style would pose many a problem for aggressive fighters. The gloves are attached thumb now making it not as formidable. In addition to holding and hitting being foul he’d have to hide it better and stick to manipulating the opponent’s balance.

where did he learn this style? Everything is very deliberate, the way he clinches and maneuvers

[Ivich]

You can see how his style would pose many a problem for aggressive fighters. The gloves are attached thumb now making it not as formidable. In addition to holding and hitting being foul heâd have to hide it better and stick to manipulating the opponentâs balance.

where did he learn this style? Everything is very deliberate, the way he clinches and maneuvers

It should be pointed out that whether to hold and hit in the clinches was usually a mutually agreed decision by both fighters,some opted for it ,some did not.Tommy Burns wanted it and went on record to say he bitterly regretted it, as he had not realised how strong Johnson was. Nobody got the better of Johnson in the clinches.
Today we hear ,"punch and get out," from referees,Johnson would have some adapting to do to be successful today.

[Dr. Z]

Johnson was kod by Joe Choynski and according to Adam Pollack who has written a two volume biography of him which has received excellent revues ,Johnson himself weighed in the 170s when they fought.Ten months earlier Johnson had weighed 168lbs for a fight with Jim McCormick
Battling Johnson drew with both Langford and Jeannette neither of whom had a broken arm when they fought him as Johnson did.
Johnson was not lucky to draw with Battling Jim ,I have the round by round writeup courtesy of Adam .

Jeannette had 22 fights when he last lost to Johnson,that is not a novice.

McVey was the man whom Jeffries refused to fight although he was guaranteed a good purse to do so.Johnson beat him 3 times.

Johnson is not one of my favourite fighters at all. I just intensely dislike lying ,agenda driven haters like yourself who will repeatedly lie through their teeth no matter how many times they are corrected.

Johnson being a Free Mason has nothing to do with this discussion.Robinson was a Mason too and although I admire him as a fighter I dislike him as a man.
I do however admire Jack Dempsey both as a fighter and as a man,and he was a Mason.
You Sir are a piece of ****.
Why don't you spend a little less time hating on Johnson, and more time learning how to read and write properly?

My three greatest heavyweights are in no order," Ali.Johnson, and Louis"Eddie Futch.

There you go again. Trying to diminish things that are. Choynski was the smaller man in 1901 when he was blown out in 3. The first two rounds Choynski was cautious then BOOM Josnon was out like a light. A year later Johnson was 185 lbs in 1902 vs. Gardner!

YES Johnson was lucky to draw vs Battling Jim Johnson! He was on the verge of being KO'D in the 10th and final round. Not one judge just picked Jack Johnson as the winner but one Judge picked Battling Jim. Do you read what Pollack writes or only take in the positive and reject the negative? You are a dishonest person by ignoring such details.

Jeannette was 0-3 when he first fought Johnson! He had no amateur experience either!

McVey was an in-expercnced teenager.

Langford's estimated age was 20 by author Clay Moyle, and he is listed at 156 pounds! Sam says he was in the 140's and Jeanette says he was in the 160's! Other readers can verify this! Johnson has three famous wins, right?

We did talk about the Marvin Hart fight where Pollack thinks he lost! And he did.


You're a piece of ****, a freemason, a bet welcher, a person who likes to blow rabbits heads off ( you admitted as such in the ESB forum ), and a liar. I care not what you " think "

[Dr. Z]

You can see how his style would pose many a problem for aggressive fighters. The gloves are attached thumb now making it not as formidable. In addition to holding and hitting being foul heâd have to hide it better and stick to manipulating the opponentâs balance.

where did he learn this style? Everything is very deliberate, the way he clinches and maneuvers

YES. He would pose a threat to people below 170 pounds, old men who has not fought in 6 years, and the very young. But vs. men in their prime who were decent, well that is a different story and one with many losses and draws!

Hitting and holding can be seen in news reviews of Jack Johnson and his filmed fights. Jack hit men on breaks, went low several times, held and hit, etc...

IMO, he would be KO'd more often today or DQ'd with these fouls and excessive clinching. A dirty Jack he was.

[Ivich]

YES. He would pose a threat to people below 170 pounds, old men who has not fought in 6 years, and the very young. But vs. men in their prime who were decent, well that is a different story and one with many losses and draws!

Hitting and holding can be seen in news reviews of Jack Johnson and his filmed fights. Jack hit men on breaks, went low several times, held and hit, etc...

IMO, he would be KO'd more often today or DQ'd with these fouls and excessive clinching. A dirty Jack he was.

Let's just let this poster expose himself further as the fixated hater he is.
Johnson fought more big guys than anyone up until Joe Louis.The average weight of his title challengers was likewise the heaviest of any champion until the end of Louis' reign

[Willow The Wisp]

YES. He would pose a threat to people below 170 pounds, old men who has not fought in 6 years, and the very young. But vs. men in their prime who were decent, well that is a different story and one with many losses and draws!

Hitting and holding can be seen in news reviews of Jack Johnson and his filmed fights. Jack hit men on breaks, went low several times, held and hit, etc...

IMO, he would be KO'd more often today or DQ'd with these fouls and excessive clinching. A dirty Jack he was.

But Doctor,

Related here or not,

Chris Byrd is currently a super middleweight.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the...formation/amp/

And he stopped a prime Vitali Klitschko, leaving him slumped in his corner, quitting.

And THAT guy was 6'7.5 and 245, Jess Willard size.

No Mas, no Mas!!!!

Thats a fact too. Iron Clad.

Details & context? Who needs em'?

[QueensburyRules]

But Doctor,

Related here or not,

Chris Byrd is currently a super middleweight.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the...formation/amp/

And he stopped a prime Vitali Klitschko, leaving him slumped in his corner, quitting.

And THAT guy was 6'7.5 and 245, Jess Willard size.

No Mas, no Mas!!!!

Thats a fact too. Iron Clad.

Details & context? Who needs em'?

- - Byrd is currently retired and irrelevant other than the AMA trained Ks were exposed to the underbelly of professional boxing to make significant adjustments to dominate their era much like Joe Louis did his.

Byrd was way down on the cards and could not win other than Vit's ama coach making an ama decision to withdraw.

[Dr. Z]

Let's just let this poster expose himself further as the fixated hater he is.
Johnson fought more big guys than anyone up until Joe Louis.The average weight of his title challengers was likewise the heaviest of any champion until the end of Louis' reign

LIES! Stop it. Jack Johnson title opponents beaten are not heaviest on average up Louis! Just shut up. Or press on with your falsehoods.